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About being laid off and unwanted when you're 59
The Star (South Chicago) ^ | 4/23/6 | Michael Bowers

Posted on 04/23/2006 7:49:45 AM PDT by SmithL

One of my readers is an underemployed 59-year-old man from among us here in the South Suburbs. Call him Harry. He works in information technology. Slowly and wearily, he says: "Once you get past 50, I swear, it gets tough, it gets really tough."

For instance, Harry applied for a job with a city of Chicago department that operates 24 hours a day, seven days a week. He got an offer for some contract work. There were no benefits, but it was a paying job.

A woman from the city called him one Monday morning and wanted to know if he could start at midnight. Harry said he'd like to give his current employer a week's notice. That wasn't good enough. The job was gone. The caller told him: "This is a brave new world. Learn to live with it."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: babyboomers; downsize; economy; education; employment; gig; gigs; jobs; knowyourrole; laidoff; layoffs; learn; retrain; retraining; rif; rightsize; role; training
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To: CindyDawg

It seems that most people who do well (if they're not lawyer scum screwing people for $250,000/year) follow plans similar to yours. Don't live the "high life" with the new cars, etc. For example, with gas above $3.00 per gallon I'm perfectly happy. Along with my 14 mpg Sequoia I have a 25 year old diesel VW pickup truck. It gets 44 mpg commuting, 50 on the highway, saving me about $2000 per year just in fuel for the car. If at 20 years old someone put all of that in mutual funds, over 40 years (Harry's age) it would cover retirement alone.


101 posted on 04/23/2006 9:16:21 AM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: Alouette

Why did you choose to have 9 kids? And why don't the kids pay for their own post secondary education?


102 posted on 04/23/2006 9:17:59 AM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

Bingo! Never trust in anyone to "owe" you a job, a retirement, insurance, and so forth. There is only one person who has your own best interest in mind: you.


103 posted on 04/23/2006 9:18:55 AM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God is giving you countless observable clues of His existence!)
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To: wbill
The article fails to mention that the IT job market is pretty good right now. It ain't 1999, but that type of a roaring job market likely won't happen again in my lifetime.

It ain't 1999, more like 1989, which is a lot more healthy. The late ninetees saw a lot of people getting into computer/network jobs who really just didn't belong there. The stock prices for tech were hyper-inflated, which allowed companies like WorldCom to buy MCI.

The whole thing was based on fantasy, and reality had to crash in sometime. I'm glad George W. Bush was President when it did, becuase he managed our economy through it, and 9/11.

Tech business is good business if you are a tech person. If not, get a job doing something more compatible with your skills and personality. Yes, personality.

It takes a certain kind of person to sling bits, and if you aren't that kind of person you won't be secure or happy doing it.
104 posted on 04/23/2006 9:19:11 AM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life, or nothing at all)
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To: bfree; 69ConvertibleFirebird
"Not everyone is as fortunate and perfect as you seem to be."

Firebird might be a bit blunt, but his message is right on track. One needn't be fortunate and no one is perfect. But "one" (everyone) should be responsible and we live in a culture that promotes irresponsible personal actions.

It is not anyone else's responsibility to provide for us PERIOD. Job, food, clothes, money for a rainy day ... nothing PERIOD.

It is our personal responsibilities.

And yet we live in a culture where the vast majority are about 3 pay checks away from bankruptcy and being "homeless".

Servicing a $700.00 mortgage payment at age 59 wasn't a real responsible choice to have been made. The fact the man claims he will have to work every day for the rest of his life suggests fairly poor financial planning (his responsibility).

It doesn't take much to live on in retirement if one has taken the responsibility to plan and save modestly for it beginning at a fairly early age. Even at modest interest rates.

Had the individual started saving $195.00 a month at age 22 and only earned an average of (5% APR), and was in the 15% tax bracket he would have had a quarter of a million dollars ($250,000.00) today. And that was during a period of time that interests were much higher for the greatest period of time. And I am talking about $195.00 dollars of taxed savings.

My wife and I are retired (at age 59) and live fairly comfortably on a monthly nut of about $2,000.00 a month and that includes annual golf course dues and other discretionary spending amounts. Of course we don't have any debt to service and it took a time and determination/responsibility to get to this point.

Had this or any other individual taken the responsibility at age 22 to save a couple hundred a month and have a minimum of 250,000.00 in savings they could withdraw $2,000 a month for the next 18 years before the principle would be depleted. And this doesn't count any other investments or that mystical "Social Security" each person can get at age 62.

Becoming financially secure is not fortunate. It is a product of taking personal responsibility. A commodity this culture has been lacking in for quite some time now.

So while I do feel bad for the chap I am not bleeding for him nor his situation. He bares a lions share of the responsibility for being in the position he is in.

105 posted on 04/23/2006 9:19:24 AM PDT by ImpBill ("America ... Where are you now?")
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To: Blackirish

Great quote. So appropriate to today's transnationalists.


106 posted on 04/23/2006 9:20:02 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: CindyDawg; 69ConvertibleFirebird
I abhor all forms of collectivism and centrally managed economies. I believe the free-market system is the best on earth. But it is not perfect.

Your two posts expose part of the ugly underbelly of Capitalism.

One of you says, in essence, that he should have been working his entire life to prepare for being laid off (call it an unexpected retirement).

The other is saying that at the time in his life when he should be retiring, he should be starting his own business in order to survive.

While companies/employers are free to do what they want, neither of you has mentioned business ethics, which used to exist. If someone works for you for 20 years, do you really believe it's ethical -- even if it's legal -- to fire them so that the business can save a few dollars? It would only be so if the company were in dire straits, and even then, should first explore other means of cutting costs. If you support letting go of your older employees simply to increase profit, I would never patronize your business, so you'd better keep your cut-throat business practices very hush-hush.

Our Constitutional freedom lasts only so long as we exercise some personal restraint and have an overarching moral code (the spirit of the law, not just the letter of the law). We lose our freedoms when people abuse them. This concept applies to business, too. Employers in France cannot fire employees. As a result, they're not hiring. If businesses in America keep up this cut-throat technique of saving money, it's just a matter of time before we start passing laws that you can't fire someone over 50, etc. You know where it goes from there.
107 posted on 04/23/2006 9:20:11 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: djf

Show me. I'm highly skeptical since no hospital is apt to give a physician who won't take insurance admitting privs.


108 posted on 04/23/2006 9:20:18 AM PDT by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: hedgetrimmer

Good post.


109 posted on 04/23/2006 9:21:42 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: CIB-173RDABN
I do not worry about my job as long as I am a productive member of the company, but have no illusions about being kept on once I can no longer produce.

Most people who are laid off were productive members of their companies. The companies either no longer had work for them to do, or pretended not to, and then sent the work to India or China, or hired a new grad to do the same work (although probably not as well).

110 posted on 04/23/2006 9:22:20 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: Alouette
So screw you and your superior attitude.

Thank you for the offer but you're too old for me so no thanks. (Sorry, another rejection for you based on your age...)

On a more serious note, I never said that there aren't special circumstances. The problem is that not saving for retirement is the RULE in the U.S. rather than the exception. So, yes, Socialism/Communism is apparently the way to go because we can't have only a few people saving for retirement while the vast majority spend it all on new cars, plasma TVs, etc. Again, there are a FEW exceptions to this but the rule is spend, spend, spend...

111 posted on 04/23/2006 9:22:29 AM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: Alouette

You have ISP...


112 posted on 04/23/2006 9:22:49 AM PDT by dakine
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To: McGavin999
Not totally true. Most people in this nation don't "plan" at all, further than from pay check to pay check and monthly budgets get planned by leaving things out like food and utilities.

Can I make my monthly payments? Yep so let's buy something else on credit. That seems to be the American way of living for the vast majority.

Everything I read tends to suggest that the majority of working Americans are about 3 pay checks away from bankruptcy or worse.

We live in a culture that doesn't and hasn't put a premium on "personal responsibility" for a long, long, long time now. And Peter is going to demand payment and it ain't going to be fun for quite a number of folks.

113 posted on 04/23/2006 9:23:41 AM PDT by ImpBill ("America ... Where are you now?")
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To: dakine

My home based business pays for it.


114 posted on 04/23/2006 9:23:48 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 119 1:96)
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To: DennisR

Man, I'm getting ripped by some for it though :)


115 posted on 04/23/2006 9:23:54 AM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: marajade
Why did you choose to have 9 kids?

Somebody has to pay for your Social Security.

116 posted on 04/23/2006 9:24:37 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 119 1:96)
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To: ladyjane


LOL, too!!! Good post.


117 posted on 04/23/2006 9:25:18 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Liberals are blind. They are the dupes of Leftists who know exactly what they're doing.)
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To: upcountryhorseman
Lifelong learning, a UNESCO plan involving continual assessments, monitoring, and remediation: "Life-long learning by our people is the engine for future national economic growth."
118 posted on 04/23/2006 9:26:02 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

Not to worry, the grasshoppers always bad mouth the ants and think that the ants should give it up for the good of the "community". It's the second half of the grasshopper signature.


119 posted on 04/23/2006 9:28:03 AM PDT by Proud_texan ("Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." - Barry Goldwater)
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To: Alouette

My husband too is severly disabled and because of that we chose to have "zero" children to financially support.

I work full time and contribute 9.1 percent of my gross to a retirement plan. I also have planned that I will not be able to count on my spouse for income.

My original question still stands: why are you paying for your childrens' post secondary education? My parents never offered to pay for mine.


120 posted on 04/23/2006 9:28:39 AM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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