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About being laid off and unwanted when you're 59
The Star (South Chicago) ^ | 4/23/6 | Michael Bowers

Posted on 04/23/2006 7:49:45 AM PDT by SmithL

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To: marajade
why are you paying for your childrens' post secondary education?

I am not. We paid for their K-12 private schools. My youngest daughter is working to pay for her own college. My older kids have worked and received grants and scholarships.

141 posted on 04/23/2006 9:39:39 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 119 1:96)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
44. Saved enough to retire by now

Excellent! Good for you.

I take back most of the nasty things I was muttering under my breath)

142 posted on 04/23/2006 9:43:08 AM PDT by null and void (America: It's too late to work within the system, but it's too early to start shooting the bastards.)
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To: Max Monroe

The one thing I have always refused to do is depend on stock. To me, it's like money on a crap table. It isn't yours until you pick it up and walk away with it. 14 sounds like a lot but I wish I had a place with a couple of stalls to clean:')


143 posted on 04/23/2006 9:44:16 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
But I will still maintain that one should save a couple of thousand per year, starting as soon as he gets a job, planning for the day when he either can not, or chooses to not, work.

You view things through the lens of your own experience. What if your job only paid you $12/hour? How would you save a couple of thousand a year on that wage, with gas, housing, medical insurance rising all the time? You know, it is the lowly wage earner that is paying for the illegal immigrant benefit package, and the building of infrastructure in foreign countries so businesses can outsource there without risking any of their capital. How is the lowly wage earner to save, when the whole world is looting his country and his taxes to pay for globalism?
144 posted on 04/23/2006 9:44:28 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: MarkL
And the only reason that I got the job was because a VP knew me, and knew the sort of worker I was. The fact that I was less qualified for the job than many applicants would have kept me from getting the job, if not for him.

It's not what you know.
It's not even who you know.
It's what you know about who you know...

;^P

145 posted on 04/23/2006 9:45:57 AM PDT by null and void (America: It's too late to work within the system, but it's too early to start shooting the bastards.)
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To: marajade
My original question still stands: why are you paying for your childrens' post secondary education? My parents never offered to pay for mine.

You raise an interesting point. Since when did it become "expected" that parents would put their children through college? When I was growing up, kids worked part-time jobs to put aside money for college. Whether it was paper routes, bagging groceries at the local supermarket or washing dishes in a restaurant (I did all three), kids were expected to have jobs at a relatively young age. I've been working since I was 14 years old.

I also notice that many parents today (in addition to providing the college tuition) also feel compelled to buy their children automobiles, laptop computers and a whole host of other things that children with a part-time job could buy for themselves. No wonder they have nothing left for retirement!

There is nothing wrong with well-heeled parents telling their children that they should fund their own college education. I tell my own children that they should plan to take out student loans for at least half their college tuition. The other half, they should try to get through scholarships or money earned working part-time.

The child is likely to get a better education if he/she has a stake in it. Otherwise, the parents who insist on funding it themselves usually end up paying for 4 years of keg parties because the kids just aren't going to appreciate it.

146 posted on 04/23/2006 9:46:06 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I think Randy Travis must be paying his bills on home computer by now)
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To: Max Monroe
Try getting a job at age 71

Pardon my ignorance but even if you lost it all, with Social Security and Medicare, what are your monthly expenses, in general, that require you to get a job? I know that rent in a small town is virtually nothing (a few hundred a month?). Maybe moving to a low cost area at 71 is too much of a change? Partially curious about your situation and part about not wanting to get into it myself...

147 posted on 04/23/2006 9:47:58 AM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: SmithL
What world historical whiners!

Unemployment is as low as it has been in 40 years. This is a boom, folks. There are jobs coming out of our ears, I see them everywhere, for anyone actually willing to work.

How many people tried to kill you today? Is a Mullah promising to cut off your head if you think for yourself? Shovel any body parts into plastic bags today? There are people in this world with cause for complaining, who do not complain. You aren't one of them, either score.

Turn off the TV, hibernate the computer, put the beer back in the fridge, get off your fat lazy ass and get a freakin job!

148 posted on 04/23/2006 9:48:32 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: ladyjane
"compounding interest" - what a concept, eh?

That example you gave was quite the reality 38 years ago. And even though the interest rates on moderately conservative issues aren't going to hit the peaks they did during the last 4 decades, doing the same as you wrote about would leave someone in very adequate shape by age 60, even adjusting for inflation.

Oh that Americans placed a premium on "personal responsibility".

149 posted on 04/23/2006 9:49:07 AM PDT by ImpBill ("America ... Where are you now?")
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
Man, I'm getting ripped by some for it though :)

You think it's bad NOW? Fast forward 15 years when you still have money in the bank and SS payments run out for those who didn't save enough.

Verbal abuse will be the least of your problems. Invest in more ammo! LOL

150 posted on 04/23/2006 9:49:31 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: squalus192

I think you are correct!!


151 posted on 04/23/2006 9:50:05 AM PDT by bfree (PC is BS)
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To: proudpapa

...By 59 he should have developed a useful skill that employers would want and be willing to pay for. .....

A better course is to search the years for something he learned and train up on that or look for something entirely different. To expect to be able to keep on keeping on in the world of today is delusional. The bottom of a rut is a bad place to be.

Whining they don't need me is counterproductive. You are ok, your skills are what's no longer needed.

I started a new business at 55 and it is doing ok. I have another new business in process based on totally new skills.

No one should be out of work. If all else fails, there is a terrible dearth of truck drivers. TI guys driving a truck? why not. It's not 1985 any more.


152 posted on 04/23/2006 9:50:54 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird
I wish it were that easy, but sometimes, reality takes over.

My father ran through his savings due to 3 hospitaliztions in 5 years (diabbetes-related) and hasn't worked since september. (more medical problems)

Throw in a ICU visit, and a 2 week stay in the hospital with no insurance, and it pretty much ruins you financially. Fortunately, I am able to help fiancially during this difficult period.

153 posted on 04/23/2006 9:51:44 AM PDT by Maigrey (FRiends don't let FRiends stay stuck on Stupid!)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

I'm sorry. I just saw your post. Absolutely. Good employees should not have to worry about job security as they age. I don't see this problem much though. Retention on the other hand... Now the first thing some people want to know is how much are you going to pay me before they even know anything about the job. A better deal comes around and they are gone. My grandmother used to tell me how people fought for jobs during her time. I don't see it nowdays.


154 posted on 04/23/2006 9:53:52 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: El Gato
Most people who are laid off were productive members of their companies. The companies either no longer had work for them to do, or pretended not to, and then sent the work to India or China, or hired a new grad to do the same work (although probably not as well).

On one of my recent jobs, I was replaced by THREE H1-B's...

155 posted on 04/23/2006 9:53:57 AM PDT by null and void (America: It's too late to work within the system, but it's too early to start shooting the bastards.)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird

Perhaps, but not everyone can/wants to retire at 59. It's not that old, perhaps he still has kids in college. Plenty of people actually like to work and want to, well into their 60s and 70s. This is not like years past, when you were more than likely going to be dead by 65 or 70. Many are living well into their 90s and beyond. 30-40 years of retirement takes ALOT of money and is a long time to remain idle, as well.


156 posted on 04/23/2006 9:54:26 AM PDT by GatorGirl
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To: hedgetrimmer
What if your job only paid you $12/hour?

Well, that's $24,000/year. I can't believe that someone can't find a way to save 5% of his income. Yes, I was there once, right out of school, not saving **by choice** because I wanted the new car. Here are a couple (of MANY) ways to do it:

1) Don't eat out every day - $5/day times 260 working days/year = $1300/year. Instead put $4/day in the bank and spend $1 bringing your lunch.

2) Buy a 25 year old diesel VW Rabbit (pickup truck or sedan) for $2000. It will run forever and get 44 mpg (learn how to work on cars if you have to). If you drive 20,000 miles per year rather than an F150 pickup you will save about $1500/year. Put that in the bank.

157 posted on 04/23/2006 9:57:22 AM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: 69ConvertibleFirebird; windcliff; stylecouncilor; SmithL
By 59 he should have saved enough so that he could retire.

Bing! Bing!

The I've got mine club just dropped in, welcome.You people make me sick.

Now all you poor people out there stand by for a lesson on what you should have done.

158 posted on 04/23/2006 9:57:29 AM PDT by itsahoot (Any country that does not control its borders, is not a country. Ronald Reagan)
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To: JasonC

Great post! Straight forward and true...


159 posted on 04/23/2006 9:59:12 AM PDT by 69ConvertibleFirebird (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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To: GatorGirl
It's not old at all. Kids? I'm trying to finish up MY bachelors. I don't really need it. Just something I want to do.
160 posted on 04/23/2006 9:59:22 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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