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About being laid off and unwanted when you're 59
The Star (South Chicago) ^ | 4/23/6 | Michael Bowers

Posted on 04/23/2006 7:49:45 AM PDT by SmithL

One of my readers is an underemployed 59-year-old man from among us here in the South Suburbs. Call him Harry. He works in information technology. Slowly and wearily, he says: "Once you get past 50, I swear, it gets tough, it gets really tough."

For instance, Harry applied for a job with a city of Chicago department that operates 24 hours a day, seven days a week. He got an offer for some contract work. There were no benefits, but it was a paying job.

A woman from the city called him one Monday morning and wanted to know if he could start at midnight. Harry said he'd like to give his current employer a week's notice. That wasn't good enough. The job was gone. The caller told him: "This is a brave new world. Learn to live with it."

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: babyboomers; downsize; economy; education; employment; gig; gigs; jobs; knowyourrole; laidoff; layoffs; learn; retrain; retraining; rif; rightsize; role; training
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To: ContraryMary
So if you're working 24 hours a day holding down three jobs when do you go to school? A lot of people mouth platitudes -- I did it (25 years ago) so everyone should be able to do it. And actually I've sent you an email pointing out why every kid would not be able to hold down a schedule like that. Student loans? Sure, they're there. When a year of college cost $1500 -- or less -- a student loan was no big deal. Today? Get real. It's tougher today for middle class families to send their kids to college. That's just the way it is.

nope during the summer I worked the jobs... during the year donated plasma twice a week and lab jobs. Some "jobs" were for academic credit as well. Never owned a car in college (that sucked, especially on dates), lived with 3 others in off campus apartments, and went to the store for out of date food at a discount. I ate Macaroni and Cheese for weeks at a time and went to the Department of Agriculture for discount meats. Basically scrounged, but had a good time studying and participating in college activities when they were free (plenty) and used student discounts for other recreation.

The more you post to me, the more I'd like you to hear what I heard from an old mentor of mine when I'd whine... "excuses are like a-holes, everybody's got one son." deal with it and move on, nobody wants to hear your problems, cause everybody's got problems. What makes you so frickin special. Honestly, it was the best help, I never got.

From your e-mail, I'd like to tell you that if your kid is so "debilitated" due to low blood sugar, she needs to get worked up for an insulinoma. Otherwise your just making excuses for your kid and he/she needs to basically learn to work. Sounds like you've got all your excuses about life not being fair, can't even get a loan, too hard for your baby to work cause she's weak, college is too expensive, the moon is in the 7th house and Jupiter aligns with Mars... whatever.

E-mail me in 4 years. I've got even money that

#1. your kid won't finish college in 6 years,

#2. It'll be because he/she's got some physical/psychological excuse

#3 Engineering is hard work (depending on the type) so she's got an excuse to fail that as well.

#4 You'll try to find a reason for everybody not seeing how special your kid is and why they're all cold, evil, and ignorant of her special needs and talents.

That's why we've got "geniuses" driving cabs, cleaning toilets, and ranting against "the man" for keeping him down. My suggestion, have her major in something really useless like Psychology, Journalism, Education, English Lit, Women's Studies, Liberal Education, Art, Interior Design, and that way she'll always have an excuse for how come she isn't finding life fair.

My question to you is, How do "poor" people in our country find a way to send their kids to college and succeed? I'll let you in on the secret......

hard work... which of course you've ruled out because of...... (insert your excuse here)

581 posted on 04/25/2006 10:58:11 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: OkeyDokeyOkie

I wasn't trying to denigrate anybody. I was simply making the point that there are those YOUNGER than 59 (heck, younger than 45, even) who also fall into several "gray areas" with regards to downsizing, layoffs, etc.

My own experience is simply one.

When you stop to consider the age group being discussed (40-ish and above) the most glaring reason for their unemployment is curiously left uncovered in the article or in some of the responses: these are a) the most expensive employees (in terms of salary, retirement benefits, etc) to keep, and b) these are also the same employees that more or less BUILT the businesses that are laying them off in droves (there is no loyalty in the boardroom), and c) many of them expected their employment to last forever at their current levels of salary and benefits (many neglected to update their skills and resumes to suit difefrent business climates).

If I could afford to, I would seriously consider hiring people in this age category precisely because there is no substitute for experience and many of the skills they possess (known as institutional knowledge). But there would have to be some trade-offs, and herein lies the rub: many emplpoyers WOULD hire them, but not at the salaries and levels of benefits they've become accustomed to. The economics of the modern workplace dictates this, to a large extent.

Regardless, perhaps if some of the people who fall into this category would stop playing victim, take control of their own lives, and apply that experience and those skills in a productive way for their own benefit, they just might help themselves.


582 posted on 04/25/2006 11:19:00 AM PDT by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: pabianice
Listen up freepers: there is NO percentage in telling your employer anything that could indicate you'll have less of a stake in your job in the future, or that you'll be less productive in the future. If you really want to retire, don't tell the company until you are prepared to leave your job at that moment if necessary.
583 posted on 04/25/2006 11:48:37 AM PDT by utahagen
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To: chimera
there are many, many people here on FR who for some reason are quick to blame the victim. They shoot from the hip for some odd motivation which I suspect is a Rush-like wannbe for "tough love", or seemingly like a tough-minded, "rugged individualist", and not recognize that there are many, many people out there who through no fault of their own end up with a lot of bad breaks.

Very likely it is a bastardized version of Calvinism - poverty, illness and other misfortunes are punishment for sins and the key sign of being chosen for eternal damnation.

584 posted on 04/25/2006 1:38:54 PM PDT by A. Pole (Solzhenitsyn:"Live Not By Lies" www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/ arch/solzhenitsyn/livenotbylies.html)
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To: tortoise
but the VAST majority of hard luck cases are largely the result of people being cheap/lazy/stupid

How do you know?

585 posted on 04/25/2006 1:39:57 PM PDT by A. Pole (Solzhenitsyn:"Live Not By Lies" www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/ arch/solzhenitsyn/livenotbylies.html)
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To: A. Pole
How do you know?

Because I spent many, many years around such people, and I certainly know about living it, for better or worse. When bad things happen to most people, it is a transient condition and they climb out of whatever hole they find themselves in. A very big fraction of those who find themselves perpetually in a hole are so for myriad of reasons mostly under their control.

This has generally been a feature of poverty: few that genuinely put effort into it stay in poverty, and for those that do stay in poverty, you do not have to be around them very long to know why. This makes it a self-selecting population. Those who claim it is beyond their control or not their fault are precisely the people who find themselves in that situation because they refuse to accept any responsibility for it. All the people that did take responsibility no longer count as "hard luck cases".

A lot of people claim they have no choice in life in the same sense that Katrina victims who refused to eat MREs for aesthetic reasons had no choice but to go hungry. People routinely and improperly conflate not liking their choices with not having choices.

586 posted on 04/25/2006 1:58:01 PM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: humblegunner
Crack is profitable.

Selling crack is a free market thing.

587 posted on 04/25/2006 2:18:18 PM PDT by A. Pole (Solzhenitsyn:"Live Not By Lies" www.columbia.edu/cu/augustine/ arch/solzhenitsyn/livenotbylies.html)
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To: A. Pole
Selling crack is a free market thing.

I'm hoping to break into the illegal alien market.
They can use their untaxed income to buy my untaxed crack.

588 posted on 04/25/2006 2:37:18 PM PDT by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: SmithL; All

But but but, Ben Stein just told me, on Rush's show, about what a shortage of workers there was! Que paso?


589 posted on 04/25/2006 2:42:14 PM PDT by notdownwidems (Shellback, pollywogs! 1980)
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To: A. Pole
Very likely it is a bastardized version of Calvinism - poverty, illness and other misfortunes are punishment for sins and the key sign of being chosen for eternal damnation.

Yeah, it has it roots there, it is called "Social Gospel" or "Prosperity Gospel." In some ways, it is much like Hinduism on the points where your lot in life is attached to your karma (good or bad) from what you do in this life and past lives, although I'm not sure if and how Calvanism would address the past life issue. There is a good read about it here: The Social Gospel - Its Origins & History by Todd F. Eklof March 7, 2004

It's from the site of a Unitarian Church, normally I don't agree with Unitarianism on a lot of social matters but on this case of economics I have to say the Unitarians hit it dead on.
590 posted on 04/25/2006 2:54:06 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Greystone, I'll miss you (5-12-2001 - 4-15-2006) RIP little buddy.)
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To: Windcatcher
I'm in Boston, relocated here from Chicago for a new office for my existing company. I'm 40, just, and don't consider that "young". I can and do teach myself lots of stuff in addition to being productive, and still have an active life outside work. And yes you should be happy to be working, and in a promising industry with a great future, and at a time when technology is practically magical, and at a time of unprecedented overall properity, freedom, civilization, enlightenment, etc. And if you are a sad sack instead, maybe the interviewers can tell.
591 posted on 04/25/2006 4:50:04 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: SmithL
My Dad got laid off at age 59. I had just finished college. He found another job and moved with my mom to a new area. Now at age 83, he is still working at his "new" job (it will be about 24 years). He bounces out of bed full of energy and love for life. He has never made it rich and he's been through it all but I have never heard him complain that life treated him unfairly. I am so proud of him.
592 posted on 05/01/2006 8:28:58 PM PDT by SoulMan
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To: SmithL

bttt


593 posted on 07/29/2006 12:06:50 PM PDT by timestax
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To: SmithL

Harry said he'd like to give his current employer a week's notice.

There aren't many employers left who are worthy of getting ANY notice. Thank God I'm retired and don't have to put up with it anymore. Employers today deserve no more than the treatment they give employees. Loyalty is a two way street. Any employer who demands that you compromise your integrity in order to get a job they're offering doesn't deserve you or any other loyal employee.


594 posted on 07/29/2006 12:35:47 PM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
If someone works for you for 20 years, do you really believe it's ethical -- even if it's legal -- to fire them so that the business can save a few dollars?

Ahh, business etchics. By any chance were you around here on the day Ken Lay dropped dead? There were quite a few people who were on the thread all day saying that he really wasn't such a bad guy and they couldn't see what all the fuss was about.

595 posted on 07/29/2006 12:47:20 PM PDT by jpl (Victorious warriors win first, then go to war; defeated warriors go to war first, then seek to win.)
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To: Non-Sequitur; ran15
Any riskier than covering a younger person having children?

One young woman programmer was hired at the place I work at. She was 6 months pregnant when hired. After 2 months, mostly spent in learning how things worked, she goes on maternity leave for 6 months (with benefits). She returns, is immediately pregnant again, goes on maternity leave again. Then quits to spend time with her kids once maternity leave is up. She essentially milked the system

596 posted on 07/29/2006 12:59:09 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (A planned society is most appealing to those with the arrogance to think they will be the planners)
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To: SmithL

ping


597 posted on 07/29/2006 3:57:31 PM PDT by pjsbro
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