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Dump Cheney for Condi, Bush urged
Times Online ^ | 04.23.06

Posted on 04/23/2006 9:18:06 AM PDT by Dr. Marten

REPUBLICANS are urging President George W Bush to dump Dick Cheney as vice-president and replace him with Condoleezza Rice if he is serious about presenting a new face to the jaded American public.

They believe that only the sacrifice of one or more of the big beasts of the jungle, such as Cheney or Donald Rumsfeld, the defence secretary, will convince voters that Bush understands the need for a fresh start.

The jittery Republicans claim Bush’s mini-White House reshuffle last week will do nothing to forestall the threat of losing control of Congress in the November mid-term elections.

Fred Barnes of the Weekly Standard magazine and author of Rebel in Chief, a sympathetic new biography of Bush, said: “There are going to have to be sweeping personnel changes if people are going to take a second look at the Bush presidency.”

Barnes, who is close to the White House, said he believed Cheney would be willing to stand down in order to help Bush. “It’s unlike Bush to dump somebody whom he likes and respects,” he cautioned. “But the president needs to do something shocking and dramatic such as putting in Condoleezza Rice.”

Cheney appeared to have beeen caught napping during a visit to the Oval Office by China’s president, Hu Jintao, on Friday, although he claimed he had been looking down at his notes. It has often been said that he would cite medical reasons should he ever resign.

The best scenario, Barnes added, would be for Bush to announce that “Dick Cheney will be around as an outside adviser and I can call him on the phone, but I’d like to anoint somebody who I think will be the next leader of the United States”.

Tom Edmonds, a leading Republican consultant, said the White House had failed to grasp that the party was in desperate straits. “I have never talked to so many disenchanted Republicans,” he said. “The president even stonewalled the minor changes he made by talking about how he was really perfectly happy with his team. He didn’t even give himself wiggle room.”

One Republican strategist, who did not want to be named, said: “If I were Bush I would think of changing Cheney. It is one of the few substantial things he can do to change the complexion of his administration. The rest is nibbling around the edges.”

Bush’s new chief of staff, Joshua Bolten, quickly put his stamp on the inner workings of the White House last week by stripping Karl Rove, Bush’s most powerful adviser, of his policy-making role and ordering him to concentrate on his forte: winning elections.

Bolten also obtained the resignation of the White House spokesman, Scott McClellan, who was nicknamed Piggy in a recent Vanity Fair article because of his resemblance to the hapless victim of the feral boys in Lord of the Flies.

Tony Snow, a Fox News broadcaster who is favoured to replace McClellan, has previously described the Bush administration as “listless” and in dire need of change.

But a new communicator cannot reinvent an old team. Edmonds believes Rumsfeld should go. “The president is loyal to a fault,” he said. “His loyalty shouldn’t be to Rumsfeld but to the troops in Afghanistan and Iraq. We need a new, strong face on the war, such as Senator John McCain or Joe Lieberman (the pro-war Democrat senator).”

Bob Schieffer, a CBS news television presenter, said Bush may yet drop Rumsfeld despite his strong declaration of support. “It was also this president who said, ‘Brownie, you’re doing a heck of a job’ and that was just before Brownie got canned,” Schieffer said, referring to Michael Brown, who directed the Federal Emergency Management Agency’s much-criticised response to Hurricane Katrina.

John Snow, the Treasury secretary, has been left twisting in the wind while replacements for him are openly discussed, and Rob Portman has been brought in to replace Bolten as budget director. Suggestions that Harriet Miers, Bush’s White House counsel who was dropped as his supreme court nominee, would be next to go were denied last week.

Supporters say Bush should live up to his bold claim that he is “the decider” — made while rejecting recent calls for Rumsfeld’s resignation from half a dozen senior generals — and start firing senior people rather than backroom staff.

“If the Democrats win either the House of Representatives or the Senate it will be death and torment. It will be horrible for Bush,” said Barnes. A Democrat win could lead to moves to impeach Bush for leading the country to war on allegedly false pretences, or at the very least, to bog down the president’s legislative programme until he leaves office in 2008.

Rove has been privately warning party activists to expect some losses in the mid-term elections. One insider said: “I’ve heard him say at several party gatherings that the president wasn’t supposed to win in 2000, but he did. We’ve increased our margins of victory time and again. We can’t just keep winning on top of winning so we’re bound to slip back, but we’re still doing better than you would historically expect.”

Only one two-term victor has been more unpopular than Bush at a similar six-year stage in his presidency — Richard Nixon in the months before he was impeached.

 


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To: clintonh8r

That's just more of the crack NYSlimes reporting there. Wishful thinking that Nixon was impeached - extremely sloppy reporting.

And anyone who advocates replacing Cheney is no Republican.


21 posted on 04/23/2006 10:12:09 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Dr. Marten

"REPUBLICANS are urging President George W Bush to dump Dick Cheney as vice-president and replace him with Condoleezza Rice if he is serious about presenting a new face to the jaded American public. "

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Those are the same Republicans who will vote third party or stay home, letting the Dems win, just because of one issue or another.

Cheney has been invaluable. The ingrate Republicans who want to get rid of Cheney should be ashamed of themselves.

And even thinking strategically, dumping Cheney would be an admission of weakness, signaling to the Dem hyena pack to increase their attacks.

The best defense is an offense. The Bush administration should go on the offense, touting the great economy, the successes in the war on terror and so on, not let the Dems define the agenda.

Republicans should stick together -- we either hang together, or hang separately. Only by unifying, will we be able to hold onto the House and Senate.


22 posted on 04/23/2006 10:14:17 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: Dr. Marten

"REPUBLICANS are urging President George W Bush to dump Dick Cheney as vice-president and replace him with Condoleezza Rice if he is serious about presenting a new face to the jaded American public. "

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Those are the same Republicans who will vote third party or stay home, letting the Dems win, just because of one issue or another.

Cheney has been invaluable. The ingrate Republicans who want to get rid of Cheney should be ashamed of themselves.

And even thinking strategically, dumping Cheney would be an admission of weakness, signaling to the Dem hyena pack to increase their attacks.

The best defense is an offense. The Bush administration should go on the offense, touting the great economy, the successes in the war on terror and so on, not let the Dems define the agenda.

Republicans should stick together -- we either hang together, or hang separately. Only by unifying, will we be able to hold onto the House and Senate.


23 posted on 04/23/2006 10:14:17 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: Uncle Hal
Why let reality get in the way of left-wing fantasies?

I'm surprised the writer doesn't know this basic fact you pointed out.

I guess constitutional knowledge isn't a pre-requisite to writing about things like the vice-presidency



24 posted on 04/23/2006 10:14:41 AM PDT by x1stcav (Illegals go home! I'll mow the damned lawn myself!)
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To: Fresh Wind
The author claims to be a Democrat who "voted for Bush". Yeah, right.

Same author that ends with Nixon having been impeached. Tsk-tsk, those pesky credibility issues!

25 posted on 04/23/2006 10:17:28 AM PDT by Fudd Fan (Who is John Galt?)
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To: clintonh8r

Seems I recall the same kind of blathering from pubbies on the Hill about getting rid of Dan Quayle back when ...


26 posted on 04/23/2006 10:19:57 AM PDT by MozarkDawg
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To: clintonh8r

Share your annoyance with the rewriting of history.

online.editor@timesonline.co.uk


27 posted on 04/23/2006 10:24:44 AM PDT by ConservativeGreek
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To: Fresh Wind

I'm not sure what point that makes. I'm a Republican and I voted for Bush, but thank goodness I'll never be in a position where I have to vote for him again.

Bush is an idiot and it shows at all levels of his administration.


28 posted on 04/23/2006 10:26:39 AM PDT by Dr. Marten ((http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com))
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To: Dr. Marten

Meow.


29 posted on 04/23/2006 10:31:51 AM PDT by TypeZoNegative (".... We are a nation of Americans. We are DECENDED from legal immigrants"- johnandrhonda)
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To: Dr. Marten

Yes, I can see how you think that Al Gore or John Kerry would have been soooo much better. (sarcasm)

Bush is and has been a GREAT president. He inherited a recession from Clinton and turned the economy around with the tax cuts, he rose to the occasion, when we were attacked on 9-11, taking the war to the terrorists, so we don't have to fight them on our streets.


30 posted on 04/23/2006 10:34:04 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: libstripper

Precisely correct.

You know that, I know that, It's a shame Fred is given credit as a conservative pundit/analayst and HE doesn't know that.


31 posted on 04/23/2006 10:35:54 AM PDT by Soul Seeker ("No Illegal Alien Left Behind Act" - (quote: Jeff Sessions) - 4/6/06)
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To: Rhetorical pi2

"They clearly understood that they could not get the votes - even from their own party members - to force Nixon out of office, nor impeach him if the alternative was going to be Vice President Agnew.
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Vice President Cheney is an obstacle to impeaching President Bush. The left would have difficulty getting the votes if they thought Dick Cheney would become the President."

Excellent observation!


32 posted on 04/23/2006 10:36:03 AM PDT by ChessExpert (The Democratic Party - a Marxist front organization)
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To: Nuc1
Dump the times. Keep the administration.

Hear, hear!

33 posted on 04/23/2006 10:37:48 AM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Dr. Marten
You can't replace Cheney with Condie. Condi's Secutary of State.

You can only replace a vice president with the speaker of the house.

34 posted on 04/23/2006 10:38:24 AM PDT by TypeZoNegative (".... We are a nation of Americans. We are DECENDED from legal immigrants"- johnandrhonda)
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To: FairOpinion
Those are the same Republicans who will vote third party or stay home, letting the Dems win, just because of one issue or another.

That is flat out untrue. You may not LIKE that some are considering staying home, but those that are have not advocated tossing Cheney overboard. Anything but.

Read the article. The people urging him to drop them are those like Barnes, that vote Rep no matter what. Establishment Republicans in the Beltway or elected. This IS NOT about regular voting Americans. Spare the agenda.

35 posted on 04/23/2006 10:39:31 AM PDT by Soul Seeker ("No Illegal Alien Left Behind Act" - (quote: Jeff Sessions) - 4/6/06)
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To: Dr. Marten

The dump Cheney for Rice is cover for just plain dumping Cheney.

Then the MSM would repeat that Libby worked for Cheney and Cheney was being dumped not for 2008 election reasons, but because he is guilty of some undeclared criminal offense in the "leaking" of Plame.

Duplicitious stories, that's all. It is a feint to attack Bush and overturn the election!


36 posted on 04/23/2006 10:45:00 AM PDT by Prost1 (Sandy Berger can steal, Clinton can cheat, but Bush can't listen!)
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To: Dr. Marten

Nope...I love Condi, but she's somewhat socially liberal. She says she's proudly "an affirmative action baby". We don't need that. I think she's the best Sec State since Shultz, though. I hope she stays there if the GOP nominee gets the job in 08.


37 posted on 04/23/2006 10:46:13 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: TypeZoNegative

I wouldn't suggest dumping Cheney anyway. I think it's absurd to even suggest such a shuffle at that level. Especially this late in the game.


38 posted on 04/23/2006 10:49:32 AM PDT by Dr. Marten ((http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com))
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Tom Edmonds?

Has anyone heard of him?


39 posted on 04/23/2006 10:50:08 AM PDT by Seeking the truth (0cents.com - Freep Stuff & Pajama Patrol Stuff)
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To: FairOpinion

Like I said, thank goodness I'll never be in a position where I have to vote for him again.

If you want to talk about economics, the "inheritance" as you put it, of a recession is neither here nor there because Presidents have very little to do the economic standing of a nation unless they do something to manipulate monetary policy as Clintoon did in preparation fot the Y2K that never materialized.

That being said, Bush has proven that he is definitely not a fiscal Conservative. The US government has grown at levels unseen since FDR and deficit spending has soared through the roof.

I'm glad we're fighting the war overseas instead of here at home, it's just too bad that GW has Vicente Fox so far up his rear that he's turned a blind eye to our southern border.


40 posted on 04/23/2006 10:57:21 AM PDT by Dr. Marten ((http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com))
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