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Dump Cheney for Condi, Bush urged
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| 04.23.06
Posted on 04/23/2006 9:18:06 AM PDT by Dr. Marten
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To: Dr. Marten
Excuse me?? I know you didn't just say that.
I don't tow anyones line, nor do I necrssarily agree with everything any one person says or does. That doesn't give me the superiority to call anyone an idiot, never mind the President of the United States!
For the record, I disliked and distrusted Clinton, but never ever would I disrespect the office he held.
I do like the President and Vice President. and I proudly admit it. Do I always agree with every thought either of them has ever had? No, but I do not have a clue of what they run up against day in and day out either. Or the strategic they have to be involved in just to keep the country going amidst the infiltration of socialistic and communistic ploys by other parties day after day.
I commend them both, and if posters like you don't like that fact, deal with it, suck it up, or whatever else you have to do. It matters not to me.
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posted on
04/23/2006 3:27:00 PM PDT
by
gidget7
(PC is the huge rock, behind which lies hide!)
To: spinestein
The woman who yelled at the Chinese President was protesting their government's practice of imprisoning people who practice religion or who state unpopular political ideas. Such actions by a government are immoral not because they're different from our own, but because they're inherently evil.
I'm well aware of what the woman was doing and I know exactly what she was shouting. However, while I do believe that people should be able to practice their choice of religion without interference from the State (so long as it isn't hurting other people), the Falun Gong is not a religion; it's a cult. Pesky and harmless, but still a cult. I don't approve of the way the Chinese government deals with the Falun Gong, but it's not all that different from the way the US handled the Branch Davidians either.
This woman did something moral and courageous in protesting the way she did and I distrust the judgment of people who condemn her or who lament that the Chinese government will be embarrassed by it.
Yes, it was courageous and kudos to her because she wouldn't be able to protest like that in China. However, this was not the time nor the place for such an event and if the Bush officials had done their homework in preparing for this State visit, none of these mishaps would have happened. Unfortunately though, the protests from a Falun Gong member was just one of a series of mistakes.
I guarantee you wouldn't like to see our President treated the same way in China.
To: toddlintown
"The vice president is an elected official of the USA. It is not like firing a cabinet member."
"So if Cheney did go, who would move in succession..Hastert?"
Unlike presidental succession, the replacement VP is nominated by the President and confirmed by Both the Senate and House.
To: Dr. Marten
[...the Falun Gong is not a religion; it's a cult. Pesky and harmless, but still a cult. I don't approve of the way the Chinese government deals with the Falun Gong, but it's not all that different from the way the US handled the Branch Davidians either.]
I also strongly disapprove of the way they were both handled.
[I guarantee you wouldn't like to see our President treated the same way in China.]
Our president is heckled and protested all the time, both here and in other countries on official visits. It's part of the job of being an elected American politician who makes speeches in public and it doesn't bother me at all that it happens.
That is a fundamental difference between democratically accountable governments and one's which are not, such as in China.
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posted on
04/23/2006 3:47:43 PM PDT
by
spinestein
(The mainstream news media are to journalism what fast food chains are to fine dining.)
To: clintonh8r
Richard Nixon in the months before he was impeached. Don't you know nothing???..Nixon was impeached..the allies fought against the Russians in WWII..the US beat Canada in the Spanish-American war..Washington won the Civil War..I could go on..but history is my favorite subject..
To: spinestein
This woman did something moral and courageous in protesting the way she did Why was it courageous? She was safe in America rather than China when she did it. Moral is a toss-up if it is true that she got into the ceremony using questionable press credentials. And if I seriously tell someone "their days are numbered" - it could be taken as a threat. All that said, I can appreciate that she had something to say - just not the way she chose to deliver them. What bothers me is that it took the SS THREE MINUTES to get to her.
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posted on
04/23/2006 4:09:54 PM PDT
by
daybreakcoming
(If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. A. Lincoln)
To: snugs
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posted on
04/23/2006 4:23:19 PM PDT
by
defconw
(Proud Member of the Bucket Brigade! Yes I am a Bushbot, so what of it?)
To: defconw
Oh yes I have posted several bits on the thread
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posted on
04/23/2006 4:25:26 PM PDT
by
snugs
(An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME)
To: snugs
Don't worry, I won't forget, but thanks for the reminder.
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posted on
04/23/2006 4:26:06 PM PDT
by
Nuc1
(NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
To: snugs
On my way there. I want to smack these alleged "Republicans", I just wish VP Cheney would change his mind and RUN!
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posted on
04/23/2006 4:30:56 PM PDT
by
defconw
(Proud Member of the Bucket Brigade! Yes I am a Bushbot, so what of it?)
To: Paladin2
The ole gray lady ain't what she used to be...I would rather see them closed down. But Punch punched out would be a good start.
IMHO the SLIMES don't give a D@mn what we think.
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posted on
04/23/2006 4:32:13 PM PDT
by
Nuc1
(NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
To: daybreakcoming
[Why was it courageous? She was safe in America rather than China when she did it.]
She is being legally prosecuted for her protest as she probably suspected would happen.
Risking prosecution to protest genuine oppression is a virtue.
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posted on
04/23/2006 4:36:48 PM PDT
by
spinestein
(The mainstream news media are to journalism what fast food chains are to fine dining.)
To: TypeZoNegative
"You can't replace Cheney with Condie. Condi's Secutary of State.
You can only replace a vice president with the speaker of the house."
While it is true that the Speaker of the House is 2nd in line in presidential succession, the Speaker of the House does not succeeded to the Vice-Presidency if the VP's office becomes vacant. Under the 25th amendment, if the Vice-Presidency becomes vacant the President nominates a new VP who is subject to confirmation from both the House and Senate. The 25th amendment is the amendment that gave us President Ford.
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posted on
04/23/2006 4:54:45 PM PDT
by
My GOP
To: Dr. Marten
I guarantee you wouldn't like to see our President treated the same way in China. Where are the US torture camps for political prisoners who dared to disagree with Dubya, as there are for Falun Gong? You're still walking around free, I notice :-)
Cheers!
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posted on
04/23/2006 5:01:58 PM PDT
by
grey_whiskers
(The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
To: gidget7
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posted on
04/23/2006 5:16:46 PM PDT
by
daybreakcoming
(If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. A. Lincoln)
To: Dr. Marten
..that's it, throw all the conservatives from the train--that's the ticket
If ANYBODY huge is forced to resign, the MSM, the Dems and the Al Qaeda will view it as an act of weakness and it will be like a remake of JAWS.
..to the President: get real on immigration, stay the course in the WoT and tell the press to go fish--or go hunting with Cheney...
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posted on
04/23/2006 5:20:34 PM PDT
by
WalterSkinner
( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
To: Fudd Fan
Love Americans. Haven't a clue about the world around them. refuse to learn anything. React on instinct. Attack whatever their mind reents whether its the right target or not.
It's not the NY Times. (but if you'd clicked the link you might have realized that)
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posted on
04/23/2006 6:57:31 PM PDT
by
Oztrich Boy
(Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain)
To: daybreakcoming
awwwww why thank you, humble appreciation!
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posted on
04/23/2006 6:59:31 PM PDT
by
gidget7
(PC is the huge rock, behind which lies hide!)
To: familyop
It's a British news outlet! ...wishful thinking in Britain. Last time I looked, the publisher of The Times was an American. So Britain may just be the place the trial balloon is launched.
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posted on
04/23/2006 7:03:38 PM PDT
by
Oztrich Boy
(Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain)
To: bray
Yes it would be a catastrophic mistake indeed. The South voted for George W. Bush but it will be a cold day in hell before we vote to elect a black woman President of the U.S.
The Republican party has thrown a lot of money to secure the southern vote and they have got it after over a hundred years of democratic domination at the federal and state level. Nominate a black woman on the Republican ticket and They will automatically lose the white southern vote. Not only that but black dems will label her an uncle Tom and will refuse to vote for her as well. Call me a racist or bigot if you will but I live here. I know.
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posted on
04/23/2006 7:37:40 PM PDT
by
Vote 4 Nixon
(EAT...FISH...SLEEP...REDUX)
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