1999, 2000 Iraqi memos: Procurement of 50000 Aluminum Tubes That Can Be Used For URANIUM ENRICHMENT.

Pentagon/FMSO website for Iraq Pre-war documents ^ | April 24 2006 | jveritas

[jveritas]

Excellent, thank you very much for the update.

[Wristpin]

Here's an analysis from a lefty site done last year... I still gotta ask:

CAN YOU CRAM A 81MM ROCKET INTO A 74 MM TUBE???

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/006070.php

[Marine_Uncle]

Thanks for the lastest translation. I don't see why people are having a hard time with the tube dimensions. Simply think of a rocket 3" diameter some 40" long, with some fins on the back that pop out once the rocket leaves it's launching tube. It is no more. The issue since day one, is. Where these tubes to be used as rockets or where they to be used in a centrifuge cascade system.
It really is that simple. If destined for rocket manufacturing, there is no issue, other then the usual arguments revolving around oil for food verse oil for continued personal gain and arms build up.
It the tubes where destined for a uranium gas phase extraction process. Then obviously they where in violation of hiding a long term uranium enrichment process program, not permitted under the UN sanctions.

[Diver Dave]

A Yahoo search brings up a CNN report of the backyard shenanigans in 2003...

Nuke program parts unearthed in Baghdad back yard

[txroadkill]

50,000 rockets my *ss

[rwfromkansas]

It certainly looks suspicious and something that could be WMD-related, but I am going to leave this one out of a column I am writing about the translated documents due to the lack of hard evidence.

[txroadkill]

Among the nuclear weapons-related material that Libya permitted the United States to remove were these centrifuges acquired from Pakistan. (National Nuclear Security Administration)

[Dog]

Dude you ROCK!!!!

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Very Good!!!

[Mo1]

Ping to news the MSM won't cover

[avacado]

This is an interesting read:

"ALUMINUM TUBING IS AN INDICATOR OF AN IRAQI
GAS CENTRIFUGE PROGRAM:
BUT IS THE TUBING SPECIFICALLY FOR CENTRIFUGES?"

ISIS Issue Brief

September 23, 2002
http://www.iraqwatch.org/perspectives/isis-alumtubes-092302.htm

It discusses the various types of centrifuges these tubes could be used for, and not used for.

[jveritas]

The question is why do they need such a huge quantity of Tubes. 50,000 is a huge numbers of 81 mm Howitzers!!!

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

NB ALL TUBES ARE SUBJECTED TO CHEMICAL COATNG IONADIZATION PROCESS TO PREVENT AND SUSTAIN SCRATCHES AND CORROSIONS.

Why would you worry about these details if the aluminum was to be used for rockets?

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I was just reading the Belmont Club and this :

Truth-Telling [looking at the defenders of Mary McCarthy]

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Now the point of dropping in a seemingly off-topic link,...is really about the media and how they shape and distort the news....or in many cases simply choose not to report significant items of news......so we have them working hard to defend the McCarthy , member of the Truth Teller Cabal...yet not even bothering with the revelations being turned up by JVeritas as he translates from the Treasure Trove of 48,000 boxes of documents collected in Iraq.....

Which event in historical hindsight will be rated as the more significant????

[Marine_Uncle]

"Very Good!!!"
Regardless of the outcome on this issue. The facts remain, Saddam had big plans for the future as well as the intermediotry periods revolving around the oil for food program era. No one can deny the facts at this point.

[dinasour]

> Great job! National Review's Corner blog is linking it!!

FYI, Link here:

http://corner.nationalreview.com/06_04_23_corner-archive.asp#095763

[mware]

I don't think you realize the great service that jveritas is doing for this country. He should be on the FBI or CIA payroll for his translating powers.

Jveritas, great work don't let anyone get you down.

[BigSkyFreeper]

Thanks for the ping!

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

NB ALL TUBES ARE SUBJECTED TO CHEMICAL COATNG IONADIZATION PROCESS TO PREVENT AND SUSTAIN SCRATCHES AND CORROSIONS.

Do you need that high qulaity for anything other than centrigfuges?

Need some engineer types and weapons types to think about this....

[RightWhale]

Those are not rocket tubes. Steel is used in rockets. Aluminum melts easily and burns, too. Forget the pound for pound stuff when it is pooling around your feet.

[Marine_Uncle]

"The question is why do they need such a huge quantity of Tubes. 50,000 is a huge numbers of 81 mm Howitzers!!!"
OK. Firstly. The tubes could have been used for rockets.
Rockets are totally different from artillery shells. When one uses the term Howitzers, they make reference to a type of artillery piece.
So clear your mind on that one.
Secondly. Saddam's regime spent huge amounts of money of all forms of military hardware/ordnance. We must keep in mind they used up a lot of stuff during the eight year war with Iran.
For all we know they may have fallen well below their stock of various size rockets. Perhaps this they where planning to develop a new line of rockets somewhat superior to those they had been purchasing. It is possible they decided to develop and manufacture their own rockets fearing the would eventually be cut off from outside sales. Lots of reasons could be given for wanting such a large number of tubes.
And 50K could be used up in a few weeks if a massive exchange was required say with Iran in the future.
Think this way. Rocket launcher mobile system. Twenty tubes. Line up a hundred rocket launchers on a border area, and fire as many barrages as possible on a continues basis. Do the math. The barrage would not last very long, right.
OK
If the alternate plan for the tubes where for a centriguge system. Then we are cooking. Whether the tubes in the end analysis where proven to be of satisfactory quality and type aluminum. Saddam would have gone against the UN sanctions to not pursue nuclear development.
Who knows. On this one we may never have a final definitive answer. We must continue to be fair to ourselves. One does not want to put themselves into a spot where one is open to to much criticism. We simply do not know for sure at this time for what use these tubes where meant. But in either case, the question remains. Under the UN sanctions, was Iraq permitted to obtain these tubes for either of the proposed reasons. That is the issue, at least from my viewpoint.
And surely the question in no way reflects on your continued service to translate many rather smoking gun arabic documents. Thanks again for your service.