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Mexico can't imagine closed border
The Denver Post ^ | 04/24/2006 | Mark Stevenson

Posted on 04/25/2006 6:25:47 AM PDT by FreedomSurge

Atotonilco, Mexico - They name their babies Johnny and Leslie, so certain are they that their kids' future lies in the United States. Returning migrants sprinkle English into their speech as they talk knowingly about job markets in U.S. towns.

The U.S. may want to stop illegal immigration, but most Mexicans accept it as a fact of life they can't imagine changing.

Mexico's economy, society and political system are built on the assumption that migration and amnesties will continue - and that the $20 billion that undocumented workers send home every year will keep coming, and almost certainly grow.

In fact, the government is counting on continued cash from a Mexican-born U.S. population it predicts will rise from 11 million to between 17.9 million and 20.4 million by 2030.

"There have been amnesties and reforms before, and they will continue to occur periodically," said Jesus Cervantes, director of statistics for Mexico's Central Bank.

President Vicente Fox is one of many Mexicans who considers the migrants "heroes" because they send money to their impoverished home villages and in some cases risk death walking into the U.S.

Many families give their babies "American" names, figuring it will help them fit in when they make the trip north. In one central Mexican village, men on a dusty side road knowingly discuss which Long Island towns are best for day-labor work.

Cervantes avoids using the common metaphor of migration as an escape valve for Mexico's social tensions but says the country of 105 million people would be in trouble if 11 million migrants returned en masse.

On the ground, the lure of the U.S. is evident. Abelardo Gonzalez, an elementary school director in the southern state of Oaxaca, said of his students: "From the time they are little kids, they have this idea of going north." So many people have left the farming town of Atotonilco in central Tlaxcala state, 480 miles from the U.S. border, that a sort of U.S. job-placement network has grown up. Migrants send word home of a vacancy for a gardener in Los Angeles, a carpenter in Houston or a dishwasher in Raleigh, N.C.

A proposal in the Mexican Senate last year that would have kept migrants away from particularly dangerous border crossings when temperatures soared was denounced as doing the United States' "dirty work." It was withdrawn.

Agustin Escobar, an immigration scholar at Mexico's Center for Research on Social Anthropology, is a maverick. He questions whether migration is good for Mexico, given that a migrant puts less money into the economy than a Mexican who stays.

But he doesn't get much of a hearing. "There is a great deal of resistance on the part of the government to even consider analysis of these issues," he said.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: anotherbushbashing; demslittlehelpers; getusedtoitjose; invasion; xenophobia
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These migrants destory the social fabric of their own villages as the villages are denuded of working age men.
1 posted on 04/25/2006 6:25:49 AM PDT by FreedomSurge
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To: FreedomSurge

"Mexico can't imagine closed border"

Why should they when not only are they permitted to steal from Americans, they are encouraged to do so by our elected officials.


2 posted on 04/25/2006 6:31:14 AM PDT by FearNoMan
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Mexico can't imagine closed border

Apparently, they haven't seen their southern border.

3 posted on 04/25/2006 6:32:09 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Puppage
Mexico can't imagine closed border

Unfortunately, neither can our President.

4 posted on 04/25/2006 6:34:26 AM PDT by sangoo
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To: FreedomSurge

'Imagine there's a border,
it's easy if you try,
no America to run to,
you have to stay and fight.

Imagine there's a fe--nce
Big and wide and hi -----gggh,
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm ... (doobi doobi doo)
xxxx
And the world can live as TWO.


5 posted on 04/25/2006 6:38:48 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: sangoo
Nor our Congress... nor our Governors... nor our State legislatures...
6 posted on 04/25/2006 6:39:20 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: FreedomSurge

If they know they are going to dump their lower class into the US, why don't they teach the kids English in the schools? Because it's against Mexican law, that's why. The Japanese children and the Russian children learn English at their schools, but the terminally stubborn Mexicans don't allow it. Children from the USA who go to Mexican schools are expected to learn Spanish from day 1, and there are NO bilingual classes, as our assinine government requires taxpayers to pay for here in the good old USA.


7 posted on 04/25/2006 6:41:24 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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LOL!

They are encouraged by their government, and ours, and businesses here. I can't say I'm surprised at all.


8 posted on 04/25/2006 6:41:46 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: kittymyrib

That really frosts me too.

My ancestors came here and had to learn English - were happy to.


9 posted on 04/25/2006 6:42:36 AM PDT by cvq3842
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"Mexico's economy, society and political system are built on the assumption that migration and amnesties will continue"

That's a safe bet if I ever saw one. Because judging by recent polls there are a lot of "Americans" who are nothing more than consumers. They will have a heart attack if they have to pay a quarter more for a gallon of gas, but they won't give a damn if their country is overrun by Mexicans.

Maybe they should change the name of this country to the "United States Free Trade and Migration Zone" and get it over with. Come one, come all- you can be an American too. Just break our laws and wait for the next amnesty. And don't forget to vote Democratic.

Makes me want to throw up.


10 posted on 04/25/2006 6:43:50 AM PDT by Altair333 (Please no more 'Bush's fault' posts- the joke is incredibly old)
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To: FreedomSurge

Mexico has become a tumor in the side of America.


11 posted on 04/25/2006 6:44:49 AM PDT by luvbach1 (More true now than ever: Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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President Vicente Fox is one of many Mexicans who considers the migrants "heroes" because they send money to their impoverished home villages and in some cases risk death walking into the U.S.

Corrupt and racist leaders like Fox make sure the villages of the dark skinned, and indigenous stay impoverished. The ones that can't be coerced into jumping the border are coerced into being sterilized.

12 posted on 04/25/2006 6:44:58 AM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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...Corrupt and racist leaders like Fox ..

Hey, watch what you say, this is our presidents best friend.

13 posted on 04/25/2006 6:46:36 AM PDT by sangoo
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To: FearNoMan

Why should they when not only are they permitted to steal from Americans, they are encouraged to do so by our elected officials.
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Exactly. When you have a President and Congress that not only give them carte blanche, but are working hard to reward their criminality, why not take advantage of it??


15 posted on 04/25/2006 6:47:15 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: cvq3842
In the building complex where I live, we have people from 25 African countries and they all either speak English when they get here or learn it in a year.

Russians have a saying about English: they say it's the easiest language there is to learn to speak badly, by which they mean that if all you NEED is to speak it badly, or well enough to get by in an English-speaking country, that can be done in a couple of months.

I'm starting to get seriously pissed at this constant "Choose a Language: English/Spanish" thing at banks, grocery stores and everything I do which involves ATM machines. Has anybody on FR considered the possibility of organizing a boycott of stores which do that?

16 posted on 04/25/2006 6:48:42 AM PDT by tomzz
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President Vicente Fox is one of many Mexicans who considers the migrants "heroes" because they send money to their impoverished home villages and in some cases risk death walking into the U.S.

Mexicans are truly fortunate to have a shepherd like this pile.

17 posted on 04/25/2006 6:49:09 AM PDT by normy (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit soft.)
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To: FreedomSurge

Instead of making the southwest Aztlan, Americans should re-enact the accomplishments of Winfield Scott and annex Mexico.

The ISthmus of Tehuantipec is more defensible than the present southern border and Mexico has lots of oil - besides he Mexicans are hard workers - or so the libs keep telling us.


18 posted on 04/25/2006 6:49:10 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: FreedomSurge

People should stop calling them immigrants because most of them have no intention of becoming Americans. They should be called migrants or even invaders since they are not invited here (guest workers, my eye). We don't need more low-skilled workers in this country, we got enough homegrown thanks to our public education (so called) system.


19 posted on 04/25/2006 6:50:48 AM PDT by sufast (Mi casa es NO su casa, Mexicanos.)
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Tehy are hurting two countries by their actions.

We should place a heavy, burdensome tax on money being sent out of country by noncitizens (at least to all money sent to Mexico.) We can sell this as something to get more tax dollars for the government, but it will also create a disincentive to more illegal immigration and likely cause some illegals to go home.


20 posted on 04/25/2006 6:57:56 AM PDT by TBP
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