I think wanting to flood our country with those who allowed evil to take and hold theirs is worst than "issues within your psychological make up". 
Posted on 04/25/2006 10:57:43 AM PDT by underwiredsupport
Myth vs. Fact
by Thomas R. Eddlem
May 1, 2006
http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman/publish/printer_3745.shtml
Politicians and pundits are defending illegal immigration with worn-out myths that can easily be proven wrong.
Myth: Illegal immigrants contribute greatly to the American economy.
Fact: So-called statistics supporting this myth are typically a deceptive amalgam of statistics and supposition arranged to conceal an undeniable truth. Consider, for instance, this statement from the ACLU paper Immigrants and the Economy (2002): "Immigrants pay more than $90 billion in taxes every year and receive only $5 billion in welfare. Without their contributions to the public treasury, the economy would suffer enormous losses." If 32.5 million immigrants (the total of legal and illegal immigrants, according to the recent U.S. Census figures) really pay $90 billion in taxes, then they pay half the taxes the average native-born American pays. Note too that the ACLU combines both legal and illegal immigrants into its statistic. Most taxes paid by immigrants are paid by legal immigrants. Illegal immigrants often pay little or no taxes because many of them are working "under the table" in the underground, cash-based economy.
Welfare is a term limited to only a few federal subsidy programs, and the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) notes: "Even though illegal aliens make little use of welfare, from which they are generally barred, the costs of illegal immigration in terms of government expenditures for education, criminal justice, and emergency medical care are significant." CIS estimates that the total net cost of illegal immigration is an annual drain on the government of $11-22 billion annually.
Myth: We are a nation of immigrants.
Fact: This myth is false on its face. Nearly 88 percent of the people living in the United States today are not immigrants; they were born here. This is a nation of natives, not a nation of immigrants. "But," the liberal propagandists reply, "we all have ancestors who come from other countries." And, one might reply, so does just about every other nation on Earth.
Are not the French merely descendents of the immigrant barbarian Franks, who drove out the Roman era Celtic Gauls? And the English are simply immigrant Angles and Saxons who virtually wiped out the Celtic Britons in the fifth century A.D. They too are simply nations of immigrants under this liberal myth, as is practically every other nation on Earth. The myth descends to meaninglessness upon any serious analysis. Yet whenever this myth is uttered, we are expected to nod our heads in agreement that a deep and salient point has been made.
Myth: You cannot deport 12 million people.
Fact: This is nothing more than a slogan for people who have stopped trying to address the problem. The U.S. government needs to begin deporting illegal aliens, and even if it only deports a fraction of them over the next few years that would be progress. If the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency deported only two million of the 12 million illegal aliens, 10 million illegals would be better than 12 million.
Congressman Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.) notes that enforcing employer sanctions could lead many to go home on their own without deportation proceedings: "If you can't get a job in this country, and if you can't get social service benefits, you go home." Additionally, a lot of immigrants visit families on their own, and wouldn't be able to get back in if Congress decides to secure the border.
On the other hand, if the 12 million illegals are legalized, none would be deported. Moreover, this amnesty (whether called amnesty or not) would simply induce more illegals to cross the Rio Grande in the hopes of waiting until the next amnesty.
Myth: Illegal immigrants are only taking jobs Americans do not want.
Fact: Many illegal immigrants are able to work for less than market value because they don't pay income or Social Security taxes and are able to take their entire paycheck (or cash) home. This is not only unfair competition against employers who follow the law and pay employees "above the table," but it depresses the wage scale for Americans who would otherwise select jobs currently filled by illegal immigrants. These are jobs that Americans "do not want" only because the illegal immigrants have depressed the wage scale for the positions. Take away the illegal immigrants, and the market would raise wages to the level where Americans would take the jobs.
Myth: Guest workers would only be here temporarily.
Fact: History demonstrates that "guest workers" would be as temporary as the "temporary" telephone tax, still in effect, that Congress enacted in 1898 to pay for the Spanish-American War. And what would happen if 12 million "guest workers" decided not to leave? Those who argue against deporting the current 12 million illegal aliens as impractical are likely, if challenged, to say they find the prospect of deporting "guest workers" impractical as well.
Thus, it is hardly surprising that President Bush fails to mention a time limit on the "temporary" worker visas the federal government would permit under the "guest worker" program he is pushing in his public addresses. Most pending congressional legislation would limit the "guest worker" to three years — but what then?
Myth: Illegal immigrants have a right to come here. It is our Christian duty to provide hospitality.
Fact: Nearly two-thirds of the 32.5 million foreign-born people living in the United States entered this country legally, and the United States has more legal immigrants than any other country in the world. That's hardly poor hospitality, and no bill before Congress that has a chance of becoming law would change this nation's hospitality. But it is poor hospitality to say to the nearly 22 million legal U.S. immigrants who waited in line that they wasted their time following the rules because illegal immigrants will now get the same status.
The need to deport illegal aliens and secure our borders has nothing to do with persecuting minorities or lack of hospitality. The United States can continue to allow a large or small number of immigrants into this country legally, depending upon how many can be reasonably assimilated without destroying our American identity. Rather, securing our borders is necessary as a matter of principle — in the interests of equal justice under law — as well as practical security in this age of international terrorism. And this nation can no longer afford to allow "myth-information" slogans to sidetrack the nation from fulfilling the mandate of controlling the borders.
You blew off the major point of my post. The boomer retirees are making huge salaries and huge social security contributions. The illegals make very small incomes in comparison. The social security contributions of illegals will not cover the benefits they (the illegals) are extracting. They won't do ANYTHING for the loss of contributions from retiring boomers. That is a complete red herring. Illegal alien contributions to social security are not going to do a thing to fix social security shortfalls. They will just make it worse by draining services.
I think wanting to flood our country with those who allowed evil to take and hold theirs is worst than "issues within your psychological make up".
It is President Bush's choice, and nothing else, that is preventing the enforcement of the laws the vast majority of Americans want enforced. He already has -- and has always had -- all the power he needs to enforce our laws as he well demonstrated after 9-11 with the rapid round-ups of muslim radicals virtually all of whom were charged with immigration violations! No further laws or action by Congress is needed for the President to enforce our existing laws against illegal immigration and the hiring of illegal immigrants.
We all understand that a few high profile prosecutions of employers of illegal aliens would end the job lure and would go a long way toward solving the problem without the need for draconian round-ups of illegals, but under the Bush Administration such prosecutions of employers has all but stopped. Even the Clinton administration was much better than Bush on employer enforcement and he avoided the pro-illegal and anti American worker rhetoric that Bush has been spouting that has emboldened and encouraged illegals here and in Mexico. By his actions President Bush has renounced any pretense of believing in democracy and self-government here in America while hypocritically promoting it in Iraq and around the world.
Now I will agree that Congress has failed in its duty to insist that he enforce our immigration laws. This has been their sordid little game in which Congress gets credit for passing laws against illegal immigration but never demands that the President enforce them. Congress can and should use every power it has, including impeachment, to demand that the President observe his oath of office and enforce our laws.
It's impossible....it can't be done!
"Massive deportation of the people here is not going to work," Bush said as a
Congress divided over immigration returned from a two-week recess. "It's just not going to work."
Here is a short list of other impossible projects which COULD NOT be done by the USA!!
Picture of the Panama Canal Locks under maintenance
Hoover Dam
Apollo 8 - July 20, 1969
The first step in regaining control of our failed immigration debacle begins when the first illegal alien is apprehended and returned to Mexico. Secure the borders behind this fugitive, and the solution is already found!
Apprehend illegal aliens
Detain humanely
Process with care
Return without delay
William, I left this forum for quite sometime because I grew tired of engaging in worthless flame wars, I will not engage in them any longer.
If you have something of merit that you wish to say, say it. If I deem it worthy of a reply, I'll reply to it.
Save yourself the effort and energy required to engage in vitriol, I won't buy into it.
right on. turn off the tap before trying to plug holes in the bath tub.
Wel, I actually read the article (imagine that!), and the first "myth" he discussed, detailed the burden on the tax system imposed by illegal aliens.
I countered with facts that indicate that not only are illegal aliens not a burden, but as far as the Federal government is concerned, they are an economic boon.
Now, if you are no on this thread discussing the content of the article posted, what exactly ARE you discussing?
One Day, That Economy Ticket May Buy You a Place to Stand
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1621116/posts
if this is true, we should all be giving our sosh security #'s to every illegal we can find so we insure we get our gubmint cheese when the time comes!
BUMP!!!
Then don't hake the part of criminals that would destroy this country.
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