Myth vs. Fact: (You cannot deport 12 million people) Oh Yes You Can!

The New American ^ | May 1, 2006 | Thomas R. Eddlem

[Luis Gonzalez]

"Finally someone on the pro-illegal alien side..."

Show me one post where I take a pro-illegal alien stand.

It's truly embarrasing when you have to resort to lies in order to bolster your argument.

[TigersEye]

It's relevant to the post I was addressing...which isn't yours.

If you click back on each post it comes back to where you posted to me and asked your straw-man question. No one else was pinged to it.

[dagnabbit]

The biggest difference between Irish and other early immigration waves and the current deluge, is that the Irish wave ENDED. When will the current mostly-third-world influx end or even slow, so that real assimilation take place?

Or are we just going to keep detaching pieces of our country as they become dominated by large numbers of unassimilated foreigners - like the defacto foreign city-state of Miami?

[Luis Gonzalez]

"You said that Irish immigrants came the same way as today's immigrants."

That's not what I said at all.

They came the same way that illegal aliens come...illegal aliens are NOT immigrants.

The Irish simply hopped on a boat and came here...no visas to apply for, no pre-entry requirements at all.

That's the same way that illegal aliens come today.

The difference is that there were no laws to comply with back then, so to call them "legal immigrants" is a stretch.

[Luis Gonzalez]

1. Introduction

The 1850 decennial census was the first census in which data were collected on the nativity of the population. From 1850 to 1930, the foreign-born population of the United States increased from 2.2 million to 14.2 million, reflecting large-scale immigration from Europe during most of this period.¹ As a percentage of total population, the foreign-born population rose from 9.7 percent in 1850 and fluctuated in the 13 percent to 15 percent range from 1860 to 1920 before dropping to 11.6 percent in 1930. The highest percentages foreign born were 14.4 percent in 1870, 14.8 percent in 1890 and 14.7 percent in 1910.

From 1930 to 1950, the foreign-born population of the United States declined from 14.2 million to 10.3 million, or from 11.6 percent to 6.9 percent of the total population. These declines reflected the extremely low level of immigration during the 1930s and 1940s. The foreign-born population then dropped slowly to 9.6 million in 1970, when it represented a record low 4.7 percent of the total population. Immigration had risen during the 1950s and 1960s, but was still low by historical standards, and mortality was high during this period among the foreign-born population because of its old age structure (reflecting four decades of low immigration).

Since 1970, the foreign-born population of the United States has increased rapidly due to large-scale immigration, primarily from Latin America and Asia. The foreign-born population rose from 9.6 million in 1970 to 14.1 million in 1980 and to 19.8 million in 1990. The estimated foreign-born population in 1997 was 25.8 million. As a percentage of the total population, the foreign-born population increased from 4.7 percent in 1970 to 6.2 percent in 1980, to 7.9 percent in 1990, and to an estimated 9.7 percent in 1997.²

[VxH]

Do you have your own SSN or do you use someone else's?  

If have one, do you rent it out for a fee?

 

 

Those are simple yes or no questions, Louise.

 

Which is it?

 

If you answer No to the second question, then perhaps you'll explain why - As this seems to be missing from your "factual",apologetic,  posts.

 

I would suspect a coyote understands "how all this works" quite well, too.

 

[TigersEye]

The Irish simply hopped on a boat and came here...no visas to apply for, no pre-entry requirements at all. That's the same way that illegal aliens come today. The difference is that there were no laws to comply with back then, so to call them "legal immigrants" is a stretch.

I didn't call them legal immigrants. But it is false to say that the Irish came the same way because if there were no laws to comply with then they broke no laws and were thus not illegal aliens. It's simple. It's not the same as clearly demonstrated by the very parameters you established.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Sorry, my HTML tags weren't closed...here's the source for that data.

[NJ_gent]

"A wall that American citizens build can be torn down by American citizens."

Who's going to destroy walls built on private property? Strangers? Property owners have every right to defend their property with their very lives. It may make for more trouble in California or Arizona, but go ahead and try it in Texas.

You can't destroy property you don't own; it's not legal.

[NJ_gent]

Something tells me I struck a nerve. :)

[wardaddy]

BTTT

[Luis Gonzalez]

Nor did I say that they broke laws, I said that there were no laws so "legal" is not an appropriate term.

You called them "immigrants"...they're are not immigrants at all. They are illegal aliens.

[Luis Gonzalez]

If you have doubts about my legal status, contact your local INS office and have them give me a call.

I know how things work because I READ.

[Luis Gonzalez]

You struck nothing...you're one of a long line of people who've had to resort to lies in order to debate me.

Here's my stance on the illegal immigration issue, posted on this forum long before you joined.

[VxH]

1983 - What difference does it make?

 

I would be just as willing to do the same jobs today - Of course, today, I'd probably have to be able to speak Spanish.

 

[TigersEye]

You called them "immigrants"...they're are not immigrants at all. They are illegal aliens.

So the entire point of this exchange was to split hairs? The vast majority of my voluminous posts in the last three weeks have pointedly made the distinction that foreign nationals who cross the border illegally are illegal aliens. What is the matter with you?

[wardaddy]

LOL....I bet you have gotten a lot of use out of that thread Luis.

[Luis Gonzalez]

"When will the current mostly-third-world influx end or even slow, so that real assimilation take place?"

Best question in this thread thus far.

We have to do some heavy lifting to set things in the right path to get that accomplished.

In my post#85, I detailed what I believe to be the underlying causes for the government's neglect of our borders...financial reasons brought about by our own mistakes.

We need to stop killing the unborn by the millions, we need to demand that the Federal government release the funds held in the earnings Suspense file to the states that are bearing the brunt of the cost related to illegal aliens.

We need to arrest, prosecute, fine and incarcerate employers found guilty of hiring illegal aliens...from CEO's to housefraus looking for someone to do their housework cheaply.

We need to take several other steps as well.

Read this for the rest of my thoughts on the subject.

I'm going to bed.

[TigersEye]

However it's really irrelevant how Irish get here, whether legally or illegally.

I completely agree with that. The past is not inherently a precedent to be repeated.

Irish and other Europeans have a right to come here. America's founding fathers intented the country for European progeny, not some other country's progeny.

I'd have to call that complete bunkum. Got quotes?