Posted on 04/27/2006 9:07:55 AM PDT by Reagan Man
Until men and women become responsible for their sexual actions, abortion will be employed as a strict birth control method in 95% of all aborted pregnancies. The issues of politics and abortion are part of the human condition. Mankind can't wait for technology to properly solve this problem. Abortion is a moral issue and can only be solved by moral people. Killing the unborn, is not the answer.
It's been evident since 1973 that people have passionate opinions about this issue. Resorting to derogatory and inflammatory rhetoric is useless.
This is an issue of morality and each person has a different script for that, depending on how a person is raised and such.
Condescending and name-calling only subvert the problem. It serves no purpose to split the party over this or any other issue.
I guess it depends on who's laws you to listen to, corrupt politicians and judges who approved of Roe V Wade or GOD who gave us the Ten Commandments.
In case you've forgotton that one let me remind you; "THOU SHALT NOT KILL"!
#####A Fetus is equal to a Black person?
How totally weird is that comparison?#####
Not weird at all. Many fetuses ARE black persons.
#####....those who are obsessed with wanting to take away that right and return her to the last century.#####
That's one of the weirder arguments put forth by abortion supporters. One of the alleged justifications the Supreme Court used for legalizing abortion was that it was legal and accepted in ancient and medieval societies.
Technology already is solving it. With ultrasound, DNA evidence, and fetal medicine, it's now impossible to pretend that abortion doesn't take a human life. It's why the pro-life movement is slowly gaining ground and abortion supporters are scrambling for a new lie to replace their old ones.
Well, that's one way to interpret what I meant. Naturally, if Antoninus is right and pro-life people are the ones being born, and if you're right and people will turn against abortion when they see ultrasounds.... as I said, the problem is solved.
It isn't completely solved, because some people don't care if they're taking a human life, which is why there will also be legislation against abortion. It's a slow process, but the pro-life side will win.
Roe will turn it back to the states, not all of which will outlaw abortion, of course; do you see any kind of federal law being passed which will outlaw it everywhere, a big government solution?
Even so, as you pointed out: if crossing the state lines isn't enough, there's always other countries. As much as a pro-lifer such as myself may want to FORCE militant morality, it's not likely to happen.
That's okay. Good will win, if only in the end.
I just find the "how are you going to make it work?" discussion interesting, and one that people have not thought much about. Responses on some threads run the gamut from "execute the woman for murder!" to "no penalty for the woman because she is the Evil Abortionist's Innocent Victim."
It was the pro-aborts who made this a federal issue. As time passes, state after state will pass laws against abortion. This isn't a battle to be won overnight, any more than, for example, the battle against slavery was easily won.
It may be that a federal law is passed banning abortion. If so, the abortion supporters have no one but themselves to blame. They made this a federal issue.
As with slavery or any other form of brutality directed against others, there will always be hell-holes where the practice exists. That doesn't mean we have to sanction our own nest as one of the hell-holes.
I'm not sure what you mean by "nest", unless it's your own state. I don't think it would ever be illegal in New York, California, Illinois, or some other populous states I could name. Travel is arguably easier and cheaper than it was in the early 1970s.
You also have something you didn't have before, which is people "used to" it as something the law permits. I am not aware of laws restricting behavior previously allowed, which have ultimately succeeded (unless you count something like smoking in restaurants). I seem to remember Prohibition didn't last long.
#####I don't think it would ever be illegal in New York, California, Illinois, or some other populous states I could name. Travel is arguably easier and cheaper than it was in the early 1970s.#####
It'll take longer in those states, but they aren't lost from civilization forever.
#####I am not aware of laws restricting behavior previously allowed, which have ultimately succeeded (unless you count something like smoking in restaurants).#####
Anti-slavery laws, child labor laws, laws banning discrimination....
Okay, I stated that badly. Personal behavior. :)
Personal behavior changes over time. Many European nations were quite sexually libertine back when they were Pagan, but ceased to be so under Christianity.
On any given moral issue, there are basically three types of people. Those who will be immoral no matter what law or society say. Those who will be moral no matter what law or society say. And those who conform to law or society. This latter group will behave stupidly, irresponsibly, and in an immoral manner **IF** such behavior is legal and treated as a positive good (in the case of abortion, liberals treat is as "exercising the fundamental right to choose"). But, if law and society discourage such behavior, this latter group avoids it.
There seems to often be an attitude that if we can't stop an immoral act from occurring 100% of the time, we should just legalize it and give everyone the moral sanction to go ahead and do it. But that's the wrong way to look at this. Abortion does, after all, kill someone. So if laws against abortion stop just 10% of them, it would be a victory. My belief is that laws combined with a culture that treats abortion as an abomination rather than a right would stop a majority of them.
I completely agree. The Founding Fathers were aware that you cannot legislate morality and wrote the Constitution accordingly. ;o)
[Gee, ya think?]
You've made your bed. What you cannot do is make others' beds, although you may choose or not whether to lie in them. While your passion is admirable, and I certainly agree in principle, you will never achieve the desired results using such tactics.
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