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Hasidim in sabbath showdown (orthodox rumble in Brooklyn)
New York Daily News ^ | 4/27/2006 | KERRY BURKE, HEIDI EVANS and BILL HUTCHINSON

Posted on 04/27/2006 1:26:56 PM PDT by conserv13

The Satmar religious community was on the brink of civil war yesterday as two sons of the late Grand Rebbe Moses Teitelbaum staked claim to the spiritual leadership of the sect.

The dispute was headed for a showdown at sundown tomorrow when followers of both brothers plan to flock to Brooklyn to celebrate the Sabbath in the streets of Williamsburg.

Aron Teitelbaum, eldest son of the grand rebbe, claimed to have support of 75% of the 120,000 Satmar followers, including sect leaders from Israel, Canada, the United Kingdom and Australia.

"A ceremony proclaiming Rabbi Aron Teitelbaum's appointment will be held in the coming weeks in Williamsburg, Brooklyn," said a statement from Aron Teitelbaum's congregation in Kiryas Joel, Orange County.

Aron Teitelbaum, 57, has vowed to move his official residence to Williamsburg, where his brother, Zalmen, is head of the local Satmar congregation.

But on Tuesday, a rabbinical court deemed Zalmen the new grand rebbe in accordance with his father's will. Zalmen, appointed by his father to head the Williamsburg flock, accepted the mantle.

(Excerpt) Read more at nydailynews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: brooklyn; hasidic; judaism; nyc; orthodox; satmar
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Oy Vey.
1 posted on 04/27/2006 1:27:00 PM PDT by conserv13
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To: conserv13

"Behold, how good and pleasant it is when brothers dwell in unity ..." (Ps. 133)


2 posted on 04/27/2006 1:31:36 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Dump the 1967 Outer Space Treaty! I'll weigh 50% less on Mars!)
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To: conserv13
Uh oh. Wish the grand rebbe would have made his wishes known while he was alive.

It's the tradition that the eldest son becomes the leader.

This will does not honor that tradition.

Look for some serious street rumblings.

3 posted on 04/27/2006 1:32:31 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: conserv13
The problem is that there is no single, definitve rabbinical court. Aron can assemble a beis din that will declare him the rightful grand rebbe.

There are a number of longstanding Hasidic feuds in which two separate rabbinical courts have been convened to render opposite judgments.

4 posted on 04/27/2006 1:35:00 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: conserv13

Is that the way to keep Shabbat?


5 posted on 04/27/2006 1:35:48 PM PDT by freedom9
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To: conserv13
Fighting over a "Billion Dollar empire that included synagogues, yeshivs, ritual baths, charitable offices, not to mention a social-service organization with a reputation for pulling down TENS of MILLIONS in FEDERAL, STATE and CITY social-WELFARE GRANTS"!!!!

BIG article in Seattle Times worth reading. These Satmar Hasidim are also anti-Zionists and blame the holocaust on the JEWS!!

These Hasidim have had fights between the two camps with broken legs and arms, TORCHED cars and homes!!!

This group has an ENTIRE NEW YORK TOWN of KIRYAS JOEL of 19,000!!!!!! Can anyone imagine an entire town of any other religion be ALLOWED???? I don't get this.

6 posted on 04/27/2006 1:38:57 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: wideawake

They were in STATE COURT 6 hours after tthe burial!


7 posted on 04/27/2006 1:40:01 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: Suzy Quzy

anyone can live in Kiryas Joel--but why would you want to!.

in a certain way, us Jews are to blame for the holocaust. Jews in Germany were the MOST assimilated in the world. G-d always punishes us for trying to be like the gentiles. Today, millions of Jews don't follow the Torah and live like "the nations of the world" instead of being a "light to the nations."

Every Jewish person with a Torah education knows that our 2 temples were destroyed because of our own deeds.


8 posted on 04/27/2006 1:46:34 PM PDT by Jaysin
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To: conserv13
This group has an ENTIRE NEW YORK TOWN of KIRYAS JOEL of 19,000

And they have 27,000 different opinions on this matter

9 posted on 04/27/2006 1:47:09 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Jaysin

If you read the Old Testament, you'll find the Jews always suffered when they placed their fate into the hands of Gentiles.


10 posted on 04/27/2006 1:48:38 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: conserv13

Are the Lubavitchers still arguing about whether their late rebbe was the Messiah?


11 posted on 04/27/2006 3:31:15 PM PDT by joylyn
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...."Hasidim's Billion Dollar empire includes....a social-service organization with MILLIONS in FEDERAL, STATE and CITY social-WELFARE GRANTS".....

The PBS DOCUMENTARY "HASIDIM IN AMERICA" (found at the PBS web site) showed that under Lyndon Johnson's "Great Society," the Hasidim were designated a "disadvantaged minority."

This designation aloowed Hasidim to became beneficiaries of federal community development funds. Federal and city assistance received over the years include CETA (Comprehensive Employment Training Act) monies, Section 8 housing assistance, school meal funds, Headstart, HUD grants and low interest loans.

In 1984, PBS reported, federal aid to Hasidim was expanded when the federal government included the Hasidim in a priority group of six disadvantaged minorities recognized by all federal agencies.

12 posted on 04/27/2006 3:46:02 PM PDT by Liz (We have room for but one flag, the American flag." —Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: Jaysin

Also American Jews did not rally their government to stop the Holocaust.


13 posted on 04/27/2006 3:46:44 PM PDT by avile
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To: Jaysin
Ya know, I'll bet that I couldn't buy a house there...whether legally or illegally, like having my tires slasked or my lawn burning.

I have NEVER heard of a Religious group FIST FIGHTING and BURNING homes and cars to gain power!! This is so foreign to me.

I wonder if this group likes the "separation of church and state"?

14 posted on 04/27/2006 4:43:29 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: Jaysin

A "light to the nation"......we ALL need to be that.....my only question is what nation?


15 posted on 04/27/2006 4:47:14 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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I have NEVER heard of a Religious group FIST FIGHTING and BURNING homes and cars to gain power!!

Study European history. There were these two groups of Christens, what were they called, oh yeah, Protestants, Catholics, who sometimes didn't get along. Do they get along in Ireland yet? Any fist fighting or tire burnings reported?

16 posted on 04/27/2006 4:52:52 PM PDT by Sabramerican (I thought I was voting for George. I voted for Bandar.)
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To: Sabramerican

=Christians


17 posted on 04/27/2006 4:54:12 PM PDT by Sabramerican (I thought I was voting for George. I voted for Bandar.)
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To: 1st-P-In-The-Pod; A_Conservative_in_Cambridge; af_vet_rr; agrace; ahayes; Alexander Rubin; ...
They can both be Rebbe. Aaron can be the Kiryas Yoeler Rebbe and Zalman can be the Williamsburger Rebbe.

But who keeps the casino in Las Vegas?

FRmail me to be added or removed from this Judaic/pro-Israel/Russian Jewry ping list.

Warning! This is a high-volume ping list.

18 posted on 04/27/2006 4:58:09 PM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 140-144)
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To: Sabramerican

You missed the whole point....these are the SAME religious group.


19 posted on 04/27/2006 5:06:47 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy ("When Cabals Go Kaboom"....upcoming book on Mary McCarthy's Coup-Plotters.)
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To: Alouette
The just-deceased Grand Rebbe was he son of the late Rabbeny Yo'el (zt"l), correct? The author of VaYo'el Mosheh?
20 posted on 04/27/2006 5:14:08 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Kol mishkav/merkav 'asher yishkav/yirkav `alayv hazav yitma'.)
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