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Homeowners Top Employers of Day Laborers
AP ^ | 4/29/06 | peter prengaman

Posted on 04/29/2006 10:08:17 AM PDT by LouAvul

BURBANK, Calif. (AP) - Chris James needed help moving a piano and three dozen boxes of records from his music studio - so instead of corralling some buddies, he rented a truck and hired some labor from outside the local Home Depot.

Within minutes, two Guatemalan men promised $12.50 an hour were in his truck.

If James, 31, worked solo "it would take all day."

The two men finished the job in an hour and a half while James looked on. For hauling a piano and wedging a sofa into his condo, then stacking the boxes in a back room, James owed the men less than $40.

It's the kind of scene replayed daily across the nation.

It was first time James hired day laborers, but it won't be his last.

"Absolutely satisfied," said James. "Relaxing."

The No. 1 employers of day laborers are private homeowners - not construction contractors, not professional landscapers.

"Day labor is not a niche market," said Abel Valenzuela, a UCLA professor and one of three authors of the first national day labor study, which was released in January. "It's now entering different aspects of the national mainstream economy."

Forty-nine percent of day labor employers are homeowners, according to 2,660 laborers interviewed for the study. Contractors were second, at 43 percent. The study also found that three quarters of day laborers were illegal immigrants and most were from Latin America.

There are myriad reasons homeowners hire the men who call themselves "jornaleros." They are a flexible labor pool with no red tape and no overhead. And they'll do backbreaking jobs much cheaper than traditional contractors.

Day laborers like homeowners, too.

Shady contractors routinely stiff them. Not homeowners -the workers know where they live.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: aliens; crimigration; daylaborers; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration
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Hmmm. I need to go pick up some milk, return some rented videos and...........GO HIRE A CRIMINAL TO CUT MY LAWN!!!!!!!!!!
1 posted on 04/29/2006 10:08:19 AM PDT by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

yeah....................


2 posted on 04/29/2006 10:11:10 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ((Immigration: Acting like dupes does not earn us their respect, but their CONTEMPT.))
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To: LouAvul

“WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND HE IS US.”


3 posted on 04/29/2006 10:13:12 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (A Liberal: One who demands half of your pie, because he didn't bake one.)
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To: LouAvul

Notice that the alternative, let's get a handle on who's here and allow people who want to come here legally and work for $12.50/hour, is not in the story, suggesting that only illegals can do this for $12.50 an hour.

meanwhile, American high schoolers and college kids, who could also use the money, are now not even an option.

I'm sick to my stomach over this bs.


4 posted on 04/29/2006 10:13:52 AM PDT by wrathof59
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To: LouAvul
Shady contractors routinely stiff them. Not homeowners -the workers know where they live

I prefer to use neighborhood teenagers. I know where they live.

5 posted on 04/29/2006 10:14:13 AM PDT by Flyer (Tag line removed to appease humblegunner)
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To: wrathof59

Not to be accused of being an apologist for illegals (I'm far from it), but I think you'd have a heck of a time finding college or high school kids willing to do such work at a moment's notice.


6 posted on 04/29/2006 10:15:36 AM PDT by furquhart (Time for a New Crusade - Deus lo Volt!)
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To: LouAvul

I hire local teenagers but I make 'em fill out an I-9.


7 posted on 04/29/2006 10:16:24 AM PDT by Drango (No electrons were harmed in this posting. Several however, were inconvenienced.)
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To: LouAvul

So the writer of this article is pre-supposing that hiring day laborers is bad? NOT! The fact that our porous border's have so many ILLEGAL's filling the day laborer pickup spots is the problem, not the fact that homeowners need laborers.

Also, make random arrests of the illegals and fines for the homeowners, so that the homeowners make an effort to check citizenship before hiring.

Heaven forbid we 'enforce' the laws on the books ... let's blame the homeowners instead. sheesh ...


8 posted on 04/29/2006 10:17:38 AM PDT by AgThorn (Bush is my president, but he needs to protect our borders. FIRST, before any talk of "Amnesty.")
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To: AgThorn

Personally, I don't know what all those limousine liberals are going to do without Paco cutting the grass, watering the garden, and raising their kids. Talk about Democrats being for the "working-man."


9 posted on 04/29/2006 10:22:07 AM PDT by gman992
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To: AgThorn

The article isn't blaming homeowners. It's simply pointing out where the illegals are working, how much they are getting paid and the reasons why.


10 posted on 04/29/2006 10:22:20 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: furquhart
Not to be accused of being an apologist for illegals (I'm far from it), but I think you'd have a heck of a time finding college or high school kids willing to do such work at a moment's notice.

It's because too many people are too lazy to call ahead of time. Or, they think they need it done immediately.

11 posted on 04/29/2006 10:25:36 AM PDT by raybbr
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To: LouAvul

Now this is something that a politition can wrap his teeth around. Think of the money that could be "Grubbed" by setting up stings with undercover's posing as illegals outside home depots. What's the max fine like 100,000 or something? Easily plea bargained down to 10,000.


12 posted on 04/29/2006 10:33:07 AM PDT by Dosa26 (So long! Thanks for the lettuce.)
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To: LouAvul

There was a guy in our town who paid illegals to rip out his asbestos insulation.


13 posted on 04/29/2006 10:33:21 AM PDT by AngrySpud (Behold, I am The Anti-Crust ... Anti-Hillary)
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To: wrathof59

"meanwhile, American high schoolers and college kids, who could also use the money, are now not even an option.
"

That's a good idea, but don't hire minors to do any sort of dangerous work. Check your homeowner's insurance policy. Most will cover day laborers, but not minors.

In today's litigious world, it pays to be careful. A sprained back could cost you plenty.


14 posted on 04/29/2006 10:34:19 AM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

“WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY AND HE IS US.”

NOT ME!


15 posted on 04/29/2006 10:34:35 AM PDT by Icelander (Legal Resident Since 2004)
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To: AngrySpud

Cheap, disposable employees....


16 posted on 04/29/2006 10:34:51 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: wrathof59
You hire a local college kid and pay him $12.50 an hour. Of course, you have filled out the govt forms that say you checked his immigration status. Then there is the 6% social security as your share of the employment. Of course, you report all of this to the IRS. Then you have to report the employment to your insurance company (they are liable for accidents). Don't forget OSHA says you have to provide training for heavy lifting. I'm sure Workman's comp has to be involved.

Remember, skip any of these steps, you are violating a law or regulation.

OR...You could go to the local Home Depot...
17 posted on 04/29/2006 10:35:29 AM PDT by Lokibob (Spelling and typos are copyrighted. Please do not use.)
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To: LouAvul

Demand meet supply


18 posted on 04/29/2006 10:36:10 AM PDT by don-o
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To: durasell
The article isn't blaming homeowners. It's simply pointing out where the illegals are working, how much they are getting paid and the reasons why.

Direct blame is surely not in the article, however with all the 'excuses' going on as to wanting to make a case "that illegals only do work that no one else will do", there is plenty of 'indirect' blame in this article.

Also, considering the source being AP ...

The net of it is that the left wing liberal media continues to paint this picture that this is just an unsolvable problem, etc.

It is quite easy to read between the lines on this article and see the 'intent' of the piece.

19 posted on 04/29/2006 10:37:33 AM PDT by AgThorn (Bush is my president, but he needs to protect our borders. FIRST, before any talk of "Amnesty.")
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To: gman992
Nancy for-the-laborer Pelosi does not hire Union folks to work for her.
20 posted on 04/29/2006 10:38:03 AM PDT by yoe
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To: wrathof59
Manwhile, American high schoolers and college kids

I am sure they were overlooked at the Home Depot.

Not. Hey. Maybe the guy should have cruised the Mall and Starbucks to get himm some WORKERS hired. Yes. That's the ticket

21 posted on 04/29/2006 10:39:05 AM PDT by don-o
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To: AgThorn

The article was basically saying -- as far as I can tell --it's like pointing out that part of the drug problem is the suburban couple who smokes a joint before going to the Phil Collins concert...which is accurate.

It's also saying that this is a non-centralized problem. It isn't a couple hundred businesses hiring hundreds of thousands of illegals, but hundreds of thousands of private citizens hiring just a couple of illegals at a time.


22 posted on 04/29/2006 10:43:19 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: wrathof59

I've never hired an illegal. I needed a fence put up, went to the local church, and found a bunch of teens that put up my $500 fencing for $200.

The fence people gave me a figure of $2400. Yes, the kids got the gate wrong, but we can fix that easy. Teens are dying for jobs here and McDonalds only pays $6.50 an hour. It took the 3 of them 3 hours to put up my fence.

They were happy.


23 posted on 04/29/2006 10:44:27 AM PDT by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: HiJinx

ping


24 posted on 04/29/2006 10:50:16 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: I still care

To get a roof put on, I went to the local church mens group and hired them for $500 + a case of iced beer (it was a Catholic church).

One day, 5 guys having a fun day of it, church getting a nice donation, and my house was done.


25 posted on 04/29/2006 10:53:36 AM PDT by Lokibob (Spelling and typos are copyrighted. Please do not use.)
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To: Lokibob

If you formalized that model via church youth groups or the local Food Bank (extend it to include a Job Bank) you'd have the local illegal problem solved overnight.


26 posted on 04/29/2006 10:55:50 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: LouAvul

Lock up and fine the homeowners the same as any business!


27 posted on 04/29/2006 10:57:53 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: LouAvul
"Absolutely satisfied," said James. "Relaxing."

We'll see how smug James is when one of the many CRIMINALS he's hired to come into his home comes back and robs his a$$, slits his wife's throat, and buggers the family dog....
28 posted on 04/29/2006 10:58:38 AM PDT by rockrr (Never argue with a man who buys ammo in bulk...)
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To: Lokibob

p.s.

Roofing isn't fun, even under the best of circumstances. It's one of the two or three worst jobs I've ever done. I HATE TAR!


29 posted on 04/29/2006 10:59:09 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: DumpsterDiver; 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; ...


Ping!

Niche market is right. There are no day laborers hanging around my Home Depot...there just aren't that many illegals who stay here in Cochise County.

They're all headed for places with better money and more homeowners, I guess...that, and far fewer BP agents!

30 posted on 04/29/2006 11:00:25 AM PDT by HiJinx (Call Early ~ Call Often!)
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To: furquhart

wouldn't have a problem at all, I have 3 teenage grandsons within 2 blocks, one phone call at $12.50/hour and I'd have 5 young menat my door in due time.

I don't agree with the message from the MSM that Americans or legal aliens/documented workers won't perform work. I think it's bs.

I think the MSM has missed 2 points intentionally:

1. Once the illegals are granted rights and redress in the US Courts, their value will be greatly diminished for employers; and

2. Once a US federal district judge proclaims that illegals have full access to all social benefits, including Social Security, the American taxpayer is going to have to pay dearly for this nonsense.

And the worst is the overall effect will be that it will be a "disadvantage" to be a citizen in the US.


31 posted on 04/29/2006 11:00:35 AM PDT by wrathof59
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To: durasell

Can't be done.

Rules, regulations, laws, and permits put a stop to all formalizing it. If you want anything done to your house and not involve a contractor, you have to break some law or another.


32 posted on 04/29/2006 11:01:11 AM PDT by Lokibob (Spelling and typos are copyrighted. Please do not use.)
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To: Lokibob

In Chicago, it is the law.


33 posted on 04/29/2006 11:02:20 AM PDT by wrathof59
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To: AngrySpud

"There was a guy in our town who paid illegals to rip out his asbestos insulation"

dI do that myself, it's harmless!

I've breathed hundreds of pounds of it 40-50 years ago.

It's a lawyers disease!


34 posted on 04/29/2006 11:02:22 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: LouAvul
the workers know where they live

I wonder if the homeowners have read about the crimes committed by illegals before they brought them home.

People just don't seem to think, many of these people would not dream of picking up any other stranger on a corner and taking him or her to their home and letting them see what all they have in the way of possessions worth stealing, or letting them see family members that might appeal to them as victims. Yet they buy into the whole "illegals are decent hard working people who only come here to work" many do come here for that reason, but many come here to commit crimes. How would you know the difference?

35 posted on 04/29/2006 11:02:31 AM PDT by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: raybbr
It's because too many people are too lazy to call ahead of time. Or, they think they need it done immediately.

You are absolutely right. It's the need for instant gratification when it comes to labor. Instead of having the courtesy to arrange for an American citizen to do the work by calling a day or two ahead of time, those who hire illegals wait to the last minute.

They also seem to not even think of them as people. The one time I had the misfortune of being at a home where someone had hired illegal day labor, I was sickened by the neocolonial attitude. Able-bodied people were standing around "supervising," expecting the laborers to work far harder than they would have, and the person who hired them seemed to not want them to even catch their breath because the person was concerned about getting their "money's worth." One of the laborers had Central American gang tattoos, but again the person who had hired them seemed oblivious to the idea that they may pose some danger by knowing where the person lived, who lived there, and what items that person had in her home. I jumped in and started working alongside them, which I think shocked the laborers, the able-bodied "supervisors" and the "employer." But since I had arrived too late to prevent the foolish, lawbreaking move of hiring them, I figured I would do my best to make sure they were sent on their way as soon as possible.

36 posted on 04/29/2006 11:03:20 AM PDT by djreece ("... Until He leads justice to victory." Matt. 12:20c)
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To: LouAvul
Last summer I had an old upright piano l needed to get out of a room. A "post-it" note at the local grocery store bulletin board offering the piano for free to anyone who would move it got me an almost immediate response although I still I ended up having to help load the thing and had to use my trailer to deliver it. It was worth it. No we've got room to dance but no piano to play the tunes. LOL!

And yes the people who took the piano were Americans.

37 posted on 04/29/2006 11:04:58 AM PDT by Muleteam1
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To: Lokibob

So, you confine it to non-building stuff -- cleaning out basements/garages, moving, lawn work, etc.


38 posted on 04/29/2006 11:05:31 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Lokibob

" If you want anything done to your house and not involve a contractor, you have to break some law or another."

BS! The owners can do any construction except to install a new meter panel or make a sewer connection to the city sewer, and that is residental or commercial.


39 posted on 04/29/2006 11:06:26 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: wrathof59

Unfortunately, most HS and college kids, even those who NEED the money, won't get their a$$es out of bed before 1:00!


40 posted on 04/29/2006 11:06:52 AM PDT by Muzzle_em (taglines are for sissies)
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To: durasell

Why do you think I didn't do the roof job? LOL

My neighbor did his roof last summer. He tried to save money by not paying for the shingles to be delivered "TO THE ROOF". His son-in-law damn near killed himself carrying the bundles up the ladder. But he saved a buck and a half a bundle.


41 posted on 04/29/2006 11:07:46 AM PDT by Lokibob (Spelling and typos are copyrighted. Please do not use.)
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To: durasell

Yep. The illegal supporters want to paint those opposed as racist, uncaring, etc., but what it boils down to is that they want a bottom class of people to service them.

Do the illegal's supporters want them here to become doctors, lawyers, engineers or any type of professional? No, they want the illegals here to be the bottom rung of society. It is an elitist mindset.


42 posted on 04/29/2006 11:09:46 AM PDT by kenth
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To: Lokibob

Although I did not check their information personally, I had what I'm pretty certain were illegals working at my house twice during the summer. One was a landscaping crew and another removed a fence. I'm in the Southeast and I will say these folks worked harder than ANY person I've EVER seen, (black or white). I hear it is a different story in California though.


43 posted on 04/29/2006 11:10:35 AM PDT by Muzzle_em (taglines are for sissies)
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To: LouAvul

James may think he only paid $40 - in reality, he's paid many times that in increased taxes, medical costs, and other expenses to support the "inexpensive" illegals.


44 posted on 04/29/2006 11:11:01 AM PDT by meyer (Dems are stuck on stupid. Al Gore invented stupid.)
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To: Lokibob

I did roofing one summer in college. It was the worst, hardest work I'd ever done. Never again. Not only was the actual work itself back breaking, but the crews are populated by morons who were so stoned it's a wonder nobody was killed through their carelessness. Plus, the tar gets under your nails, in your hair, everywhere. Horrible stuff.


45 posted on 04/29/2006 11:11:25 AM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: LouAvul

Has Walmart started carrying these cheap laborers yet?


46 posted on 04/29/2006 11:12:49 AM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: durasell

It's worth checking around. In my town, a couple of charities and rescue missions have "day labor" programs to help those who have been down and out get back on their feet. Your work gets done, and you have the benefit of knowing you have helped others.


47 posted on 04/29/2006 11:12:57 AM PDT by djreece ("... Until He leads justice to victory." Matt. 12:20c)
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To: AngrySpud
There was a guy in our town who paid illegals to rip out his asbestos insulation.

Finally, a job most Americans WON'T do. :)

48 posted on 04/29/2006 11:13:35 AM PDT by meyer (Dems are stuck on stupid. Al Gore invented stupid.)
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To: Muleteam1
Speaking of pianos.. Yesterday I paid a lady $75 to tune my piano. It took a little over an hour.

I hire her about 3 times a year..NO ILLEGAL will ever set foot in this house to take her job, even if they charge me 10 bucks.

Hire American!

49 posted on 04/29/2006 11:14:33 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (Shop till you drop..May 1st)
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To: LouAvul

It goes on all the time here in Northern Virginia. The municipal goernment in Herndon even rented a center so they illegals could hang around it rather than the local 7/11. Each morning local businesses and home owners pick up these workers for the day as part of a rent a man operation. The numbers of illegals continue to rise in the DC area. Many are living 8 to 10 to a room in violation of local zoning and fire codes. Most come from El Salvador wihh Mexicans next in terms of numbers.


50 posted on 04/29/2006 11:19:16 AM PDT by kabar
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