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No place to run (Scary description of what a nuclear attack on the United States would be like)
WorldNetDaily ^ | 4/29/06 | Robert Pfriender

Posted on 04/29/2006 5:02:09 PM PDT by wagglebee

Editor's note: The following column includes excerpts from Robert Pfriender's upcoming book, "No Place to Run."
 
 


Robert Pfriender

An awful lot can be said for adequate prevention and professional planning for a disaster. We as a great country rely upon our government and its vast agencies such as FEMA and the Department of Homeland Security to institute programs and procedures to protect us. But it seems these agencies and our elected officials have no clue, or perhaps they just really don't care about the public or our country's very survival. Unless a comprehensive national civil defense program is urgently implemented it is very likely that the events that are described here may unfortunately one day soon come true.

Most people did not see the threat to the World Trade Center in early 1993 before the first attack. Few had realized that the terrorists would be coming back again prior to 9-11 and certainly could not imagine the magnitude of what was to occur or the cold-blooded, cowardly callousness of the attackers. Today, unfortunately, very few can begin to comprehend what may be about to threaten the very existence of our country. The potential is on a scale so deviant from decent human behavior and so potentially devastating that most people could not visualize this incredible threat. This story will describe what we should expect and how we should be preparing to prevent such a tragedy, and how to plan now to recover and save our country if it does happen. Time is running very short.

This looming national disaster is completely preventable, but our country must act decisively, firmly with resolve and immediately. We must insist that our elected officials and the agencies responsible for our protection and national survival work in the best interest of our country and put in place credible programs, effective and practical procedures, and strong security protocols that will provide ironclad protection from attack and allow for inherent mitigation of the effects of a national disaster, along with rapid recovery in the aftermath.

Our national nuclear disaster may very well start like this:

In the peaceful still of a calm fall night, this city sleeps restfully; its 5:30 a.m. Then, in what must have been less than a heartbeat, all of that changed forever. It started with a fateful blinding flash many times the brightness of the noonday sun, which wakened those unfortunate souls unlucky enough to be close to or in the epicenter of the quickly unfolding horror story. Before anyone could even begin to comprehend what had just happened, they had perished, being instantly vaporized in the incredible blast, super tornado-like winds, huge amounts of flying debris and the hellish firestorm that followed. Perhaps, in hindsight they were indeed the lucky ones.

As this terrible disaster was unfolding before my eyes, I kept reflecting back to just a few days before when I had met with a prominent New York congressman urging him once again to take some concrete actions to avert what I and many others had seen as a huge threat to our national survival.


He had politely listened as his chief of staff jotted down notes detailing what he remarked as being "interesting ideas." I urged him to support a secure border, to build our proposed offshore cargo container security inspection ports and to implement the provisions of the 2006 Civil Defense Improvement Act that I had drafted to address the many shortcomings of our country's national disaster preparedness. The meeting lasted all of five minutes and he was off to a photo opportunity for a birthday party at a senior center, oblivious to the danger looming.

This was not our first meeting. I had been trying to convince many officials to see the enormous and very real danger we were facing for several years already since 9-11. Some listened; none had acted. No one in government could grasp the simple concept that no matter how much money was spent on securing mainland ports, it was wasted. The reason is really rather simple: If a nuke arrives in one of our vulnerable mainland ports, it's already much too late to do anything about it. It's like an ICBM that has arrived on its target – next it explodes. It would be impossible to stop it, and you can't just turn it around and send it away. All the so-called "port security" in the world could not prevent it.

Let's take a few moments to leave our disaster story and examine why this horrible event is very possible. No matter how many times I make that simple statement they just don't embrace it. The politicians get in front of the cameras the next day and proclaim they want to spend more money on what they ridiculously describe as strong "port security." The only way to stop this problem is to inspect each and every container in one of three special security ports to be built 25 miles out to sea where a nuclear explosion or chemical or biological weapon will have negligible effects on our cities.

Cargo inspections for weapons of mass destruction have absolutely no place at mainland ports and should not be performed there under any circumstances. Even after the "Dubai ports deal" was overwhelmingly defeated, no one in our government has stepped forward to provide any real improvement to inspecting containers offshore in an American-controlled security port before they enter our vulnerable cities.

The officials and agencies we have relied upon to protect us have failed miserably by any reasonable standard. The fact that there has not yet been a weapon of mass destruction or any other new attack here in America since 9-11 is really very meaningless. It can happen, and it unfortunately will happen, unless we really ramp up our defenses and do it fast.


Five long years after 9-11, our borders are wide open, checked baggage and commercial airline cargo goes completely uninspected aboard passenger flights, thousands of trailer homes desperately needed by victims of Katrina still lie wasted and unused in the mud, first responders still lack equipment, and the ludicrous "Container Security Initiative," or CSI, that Customs and Border Protection, or CBP, relies on at foreign ports for "container security" has failed by every measure to provide any protection at all from a nuke arriving and being detonated in one of our mainland ports. This massive blunder and boondoggle should be quickly trashed, yet CBP continues to embrace it, wastes many tens of millions of dollars trying to expand it and refuses to even look at other much more credible programs. They choose to leave us defenseless and vulnerable in the name of open, unrestrained trade.

None of the foreign ports enrolled as part of CSI are in countries that threaten our security, and we cannot and absolutely should not give control to and rely on foreigners to inspect cargo destined for our shores as is now the standard practice. Where is the logic and common sense?

A "virtual screening" protocol that relies on risk management and not physical inspection of all containers cannot assure that we will find 100 percent of the possible nuclear weapons that may be in one of the 8 or 9 million containers that arrive in our country each year. Without absolute certainty CSI is simply worthless. Does CBP actually believe that we should accept CSI's serious flaws and that as a result of those fundamental deficiencies that prevent achieving 100 percent detection that a nuke exploding in one of our cities from time to time is OK? Can you imagine a general at NORAD making such a statement about incoming Russian ICBM's during the height of the Cold War? He undoubtedly would be immediately stripped of command and likely court-martialed and sent for a mental evaluation.

It's clearly a time for change of management at CBP. Or, better yet, place NORAD in charge of all efforts to stop nuclear weapons from entering our country by whatever conveyance, be it on a missile, in a cargo container, smuggled across our borders by foot or beast, car, truck, or on a boat or an airplane.


NORAD is the only existing organization that is up to the task. By CBP's performance thus far, it is clearly well out of its league and have been tasked with a mission that is well beyond its meager capabilities. This needs to be handled as a prime national security objective by a military agency and not a civilian "let's promote trade and open borders at any costs" mentality such as CBP has taken. The very survival of our nation is at stake.

We are at war. We cannot and certainly should not entrust our national security at a time of war to anyone but the Pentagon and our very capable military. The cavalier civilians at CBP do not understand that we are at war. They have clearly failed to grasp the serious magnitude of the faulty decisions they have made. Their fatally flawed programs, including CSI, threaten the continued existence of our country.

There was an uproar recently about the Chinese-military linked company getting a huge contract to inspect containers in the Bahamas before being transshipped to America. Yet this is happening every day at the few dozen ports enrolled in CSI. Even the non-partisan investigative and oversight arm of Congress, the General Accountability Office, has nothing but severe criticism of CSI. This is a worthless program that is wasting huge amounts of taxpayer money. It has no redeeming features at all, and relying on it actually makes us much more vulnerable.


No one at the Homeland Security Department has ever been willing to address how a nuclear weapon that has arrived in our port would be neutralized. That's because it is impossible. So why waste money trying to find such a weapon in the first place after it has arrived at its target destination, ready to detonate? We already know that CSI can't credibly find a weapon with its extremely poor "virtual detection" scheme.

I left that meeting feeling as I did when I exited several other meetings I have had with this particular congressman and other politicians where I also urged them to act and fix this vulnerability. It was a kind of almost hopeless feeling; perhaps I should have been angry; perhaps I should have pushed them harder to understand the enormity of what our country would be facing as a result of a nuclear attack on our cities. But the reality is that they are just very far removed from understanding these threats to our country. They are politicians, and their only true concern is getting elected every few years. They don't have the training or expertise to be able to solve these issues, even if they were truly motivated and sincere about wanting to.

Most officials, including those most outspoken on the issue of "port security" such as Sen. Clinton, D-N.Y., and Schumer, D-N.Y., and Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., did not even bother to reply to my letters or the several copies of the proposals I had sent to them.

Rep. Steve Israel, D-N.Y., after initially stating support for the offshore inspection ports never followed through on his promises to prod CBP and other agencies to carefully examine the proposal. He was also provided with the proposed provisions of the Civil Defense Improvement Act, but again never followed through. His aide recently told me: "These things take time." My reply was that the four years you've had to do something after receiving the proposal was a lot of time, wasted time that we could have used to protect our country.

Sen. Schumer recently traveled on the taxpayer dime to Hong Kong to see their process for inspecting 100 percent of the containers arriving there. Obviously, the senator does not understand that simple concept I mentioned a few paragraphs back. If he had returned just one of my calls I could have explained it to him and saved him a trip. Then he and other Democrats recently came out with their absurd "Real Security Plan." These self-ignorant officials would not understand "real security" if it was staring them in the face. It is clearly just absentminded political posturing. And most of the Republicans are really no wiser, the border and immigration problem being a case in point.


The Homeland Security Committee's "Subcommittee on Economic Security, Infrastructure Protection, and Cyber Security" which is chaired by Rep. Dan Lungren, R-Calif., introduced H.R. 4954, known as the "Safe Ports Act." Congressman King, who is the chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee, refers to H.R. 4954 as the most comprehensive port security legislation ever considered by the United States Congress. In reality, this proposed legislation has no provision to inspect containers by American inspectors before they enter our ports, does not address how a container found to be hiding a nuclear weapon inside would be neutralized, nor does it provide any additional safety to our ports or country if such a weapon is detonated upon arrival, even though the stated purpose of the legislation is to "harden our ports against attack." It merely just wastes more taxpayer money on worthless programs like CSI.

The reality is that these officials who we have entrusted to protect us have very little incentive to move beyond talking points and sound bites. Unbeknownst to most of us, there is a massive emergency evacuation and relocation plan for these officials in the event of such an event. It is kind of ironic; the persons who can most effectively work to prevent such an attack and to put in place a plan to mitigate its effects have the least motivation to do so since they know they are already well protected. Let's return now to our all-too-possible "hypothetical" nuclear disaster story:

The unimaginable consequences of all of our government's missteps and failed programs were quickly unfolding in a horrible fashion.


Many miles away in the normally bucolic suburbs of Long Island some are awakened by the thundering blast and wonder what to make of it. No one has ever heard such a noise before. Closer to Manhattan, in Queens, they are shaken out of their beds by what many at first believe to be an earthquake.

When they reach for their lamp switch, the power is off, as it is across a wide expanse of the region, and in fact across most of the continent. Some simply roll over and go back to their sleep thinking whatever happened must be over since its all quiet again. A few who are working or just out and about at this early hour have seen the brilliant flash. Some are even instantly blinded by it even though they are many miles away. But most have no idea of what has just happened in Manhattan. A few imagine that something horrible is taking place.

Before they can return to their slumber, the peace is interrupted yet again, this time by the scream of fire sirens that seem to never end. Resolved to find an answer, some turn on their battery-powered radios only to hear static. Many radios don't even work, early victims of a powerful electromagnetic pulse, or EMP, generated by the blast that has swept across the area frying the circuits of all things electronic including radios, computers, televisions, cash machines, the telephone system, the air traffic control system, the electric subway and Long Island Railroad, and even the ignition systems of many cars and trucks, all of which are now worthless.

Apparently, the transmitters and broadcast antennas atop Rockefeller Center and the Empire State Building have be incinerated, including the Emergency Alert System, the government backup that is supposed to warn us of an emergency and give guidance afterwards. In an instant every conceivable component of our electronic society and advanced Internet economy has been destroyed. I recall those haunting words of the congressman, "interesting ideas," and feel disgust as I know this was all preventable.

In contradiction to so many prior pronunciations by naive politicians that such a catastrophe could not happen, it has – a nuclear "device" (a politically-correct, unemotional term for a devastating thermonuclear bomb), has been detonated by terrorists in the heart of the city. FEMA's past failures with their response to Katrina now seem so insignificant; an unimaginable horror has occurred that eclipses Pearl Harbor and 9-11 by a million fold. Even the bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima don't compare.

In the mere blink of an eye, our terrorist enemies and the evil states that sponsor and encourage them (likely lead by the radical and irrational president of Iran and the ruthless dictator of North Korea who is just as unbalanced) have completely devastated our country. Many hundreds of thousands are dead, killed instantly in their beds without warning or a chance. Manhattan is a smoldering ruin of debris piled many stories high and will be impassable for tens of decades. Our superpower national infrastructure and vibrant economy have been wiped out. Transportation has come to a halt; communications and power are as if they never existed; don't even consider surfing the Internet, it's simply gone.

The few remaining hospitals are vastly overwhelmed. The national food supply is contaminated, but even if it weren't there is only two to three days' worth of food on hand across the country, a casualty of "just-in-time" distribution and short-sighted policies. Gone are the days when our government smartly insisted that there be two years or more of food for every citizen. Ditto for critical supplies like medications, first aid and hospital supplies, fuel and batteries – virtually everything we have come to depend on, especially in an emergency.

Even the things we take for granted, like our water systems, are now worthless without power to pump, chlorine deliveries to sanitize it and unbroken pipes to carry it to our homes. Gasoline station pumps don't work. Generator plants are burned out from the EMP. The list just goes on and on. It might as well be the Stone Age. In fact, it is a new ice age, because when the winter comes, there will be no heat, no shelter, no food, no water, no warm clothes, no tents, no health care, nothing. Just millions of injured, dying, hungry and cold citizens begging for help. Except those officials who made it to their cozy, well-stocked and staffed bunkers.

But incredibly, the very worse is yet to come as death is silently riding the prevailing west to east winds to unprotected and completely unprepared Long Island.


Across the country, similar scenes of devastation are playing out, the result of 100-kiloton warheads formerly belonging to the old Soviet Union purchased by al-Qaida on the thriving nuclear black market or perhaps donated by those maniacal leaders of Iran and North Korea. Boston, Washington, D.C., Las Vegas, Miami, Chicago, Los Angeles, Anchorage, and on and on – they have all been targeted and chosen for symbolic, economic, military or population density reasons. Oil refineries, trading centers, pipelines, ports, food and supply distribution routes, interstate highways, dams, nuclear power plants, military bases, airports, all have been mercilessly destroyed by supposedly "untraceable" terrorist proxy in an absolute instant.

And the irony of the attacks is that all of the container-borne nukes were detonated as they were being handled by customs agents trying to get as many containers in and out of the ports as fast as possible "to expedite trade." The weapons had been rigged to a crude but effective fusing device made to detonate them the moment the containers were opened or when they detected an X-ray machine turning on, perhaps providing the final insult to the Department of Homeland Security and Customs and Border Protection.

And by the way, the nuclear bombs were undetectable by the rudimentary systems CBP has put in place at just a few ports across the country. The box was shipped by a "known" shipper that had been set up as a sleeper front company many years before and that carried on "legitimate" trade during those years to gain the trust of customs officials. CBP actually certified that the shipper would get expedited handling (no screening even being considered) since it had previously complied with all requested paper work in advance of shipping.

As the morning sun rises around 6 a.m., hundreds of thousands of dazed people stand about in the streets in this normally calm Long Island community.

Do we send the kids to school? What do we do? Is there a danger? Are we safe being so far away? Will another bomb go off here? Soon there is a mass panic. The ones whose cars will start jam the supermarkets buying bread and milk, something that they have come to do as habit during past snow storms. Others swamp the local Home Depot in a desperate search for batteries, flashlights and of course that recommended plastic sheet and duct tape, and wonder if it will help.

But their fate is unfortunately already sealed. They just haven't realized this yet, and most have absolutely no clue what is coming. I again recall my last meeting with the congressman, how I urged him to support legislation that would have stopped this. I remember him smiling as he half-heartedly thumbed through my proposed "2006 Civil Defense Improvement Act." It was as if he was silently mocking my efforts, thinking I was some far-right doomsday-dreaming fool of sorts. I wonder now if he and his family were whisked away to the safety of his official bunker, snug and secure in knowing that he would be available to commence the continuity of government that planners had envisioned.

Imagine that, "continuity of government," just more of the same incompetence that put us in this trouble. How reassuring to know that these same officials would be back. Something to look forward to.

Traffic is deadlocked across Long Island with many cars that were stopped earlier in their tracks by the EMP and others being the result of massive numbers of accidents since there are no traffic lights and plenty of panic. People with no idea where they should go are just wandering around aimlessly. The more they realize that there are no routes off this island surrounded by ocean and that all the roads to the mainland pass through the blast area the more they panic. Valuable moments pass by. Pandemonium is spreading; people are openly weeping in public, even grown men.

Already there are heavily armed gangs running wild and unchallenged in the streets, smashing store windows, looting whatever they can carry away, wantonly robbing people on the streets. The guns in sporting goods shops and the narcotics in the pharmacies are the first to be grabbed. Then a complete and sustained breakdown in our society and failure of law and order arrives. Anarchy reigns. It's everyone for himself.


The Cold War days of teaching "duck and cover" are long gone; the weathered yellow and black signs identifying the location of a "Fallout Shelter" have been removed many years ago. The supplies that were carefully stocked in those shelters have been sent to the trash with the signs. Plastic and duct tape is the only advice that FEMA had provided in the years after 9-11. Most people have absolutely no idea even what "fallout" is, no less about the danger now riding toward them on the morning breeze, soon to arrive without warning, soon to mercilessly decimate entire communities with immeasurable suffering and certain unimaginably painful death.

The sun should be up; it's now 6:30 a.m. But there is a strange overcast to the sky. The fallout is starting to arrive. And, like the rest of this event, few still have any idea at all about what is happening. At first they think it must just be dirty air, the same sort of dust clouds we all saw on TV after the Trade Center towers came crashing down on that fateful day in September, 2001.

The first fallout to come raining down are the heaviest particles, parts of the vaporized bomb along with whatever else was nearby, including a great mass of concrete, earth, asphalt and buildings when the detonation occurred at ground level and which were sucked into the massive fireball and heaved skyward into the well-recognized mushroom clouds that now rises many thousands of feet above New York and so many other cities. It begins as marble-sized chunks raining down, which many initially think is hail. These fallout particles are highly irradiated and extremely deadly, but most persons don't even know what that means, no less about the ominous danger now falling upon them. It's the ignorance of the nuclear age.

As the fallout lands on cars, grass and all exposed surfaces and yes on people, too, it starts its quiet but insidious effects, damaging and destroying all aspects of cellular life in its path. The winds start to pick up, being driven by the massive firestorms now silently raging many miles away in the center of a once great city. Soon smaller particles the size of grains of sand start to fall, then even smaller ones similar to ash.

By 7 a.m., the fallout cloud is cigar-shaped, about the same width (11 miles) as the island and it already extends out to Suffolk County. Still, there are no radio or TV broadcasts, no announcements or official guidance, just the wailing of the fire sirens.


In the very little of what remains of Manhattan people are still dying. But here on Long Island they don't feel any pain yet and have no idea that they are receiving fatal doses of Gamma rays.

The "Geiger-counters" that were stocked in those long- shuttered and forgotten fallout shelters have been sold at government auctions, and even if you are one of the people that bought one on eBay it is worthless, having not been calibrated for many years and thus not reliably accurate.

Some try to shelter their families in the basements of their wood-framed homes, even lining them with plastic sheet and duct tape. Unfortunately, those efforts are futile as the radiation passes through as if they were standing unprotected outside. Nothing short of three feet of earth or two feet of concrete overhead and surrounding you will help, just like the old fallout shelters were designed. Many are still there, but without those signs no one knows where to go. They foolishly stopped teaching students and adults about protecting themselves and our country many years ago.


All of the city hospitals are gone. The ones left in the boroughs surrounding the city are quickly overwhelmed and have no water, no power, no heat, no life support or diagnostic equipment (also early victims of the EMP) and supplies barely enough to treat a few hundred persons. Those lucky few who got to the hospital are heavily contaminated and can't even be washed of fallout without running water, so their prognosis is grim. And most of the doctors and staff are trying to flee like everyone else.

Even the fancy new multi-million dollar NYPD command center is gone, now just part of the mushroom cloud. The few police who were not killed in the blast or firestorms have also fled with their families, just like the doctors nurses, firemen and other first responders are trying to do. It's the same all across the country; no one wants to be a hero today.

Thousands of people survived the blast and fires deep underground in the subways. The radiation cannot penetrate more than a few feet of earth or concrete. But the terrorists anticipated that; just before the blast they unleashed deadly poison sarin gas in the subways, which is slowly circulating through the tunnels, killing all whom it contacts. And for good measure they have flown over our cities the day before the nuke attack in stolen crop dusting planes, quietly infecting us with deadly smallpox.

Up above the scene is unimaginable. The dead (those that can even be recognized as being once alive) are everywhere. Most have been violently torn apart by the blast and massive shock waves, burned beyond even a semblance of recognition, crushed by debris, cut to shreds by extreme wind-propelled glass and steel or simply carried away as ashes in the mushroom cloud that now hangs high in the stratosphere. A few steel frames of our once mighty skyscrapers remain partially erect. Most are completely destroyed, just like the Trade Center was on 9-11.

The walking wounded wander about desperately begging for water, blinded by the flash, severely burned over most of their bodies, suffering from intense pain. Most cannot hear because their eardrums have been ruptured by the blast. They are bleeding profusely not only from open wounds and lost limbs but also from their noses and mouths. Many have collapsed lungs from the same cause and struggle just to breathe. The ones unfortunate to be wearing synthetic fabrics now find their clothing melted to their skin. The explosion has produced incredible temperatures around 100,000,000 degrees Celsius. Burns are estimated to have been the cause of 50 percent of the fatalities at Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

Very few will survive through this night, and as the fallout does its deed, many, many more will succumb to radiation sickness and painful deaths. Infections will run rampant; cholera and dysentery will flourish. Exposure to the cold will claim many who did survive the blast and fires. Hunger and lack of drinkable water will be replaced by dehydration and starvation.

Many will simply perish as a result of not having their regular medications; diseases and minor medical conditions will become death sentences without health care and prescriptions. Violence will prevail with the strong and brazen taking what they want and need from the weaker. Like I said at the beginning of this story, few could ever begin to imagine what fate may await us.

Back to reality, our entire country has only 3,000 burn-care hospital beds. We could not handle the implications of a large conventional fire in Manhattan no less a nuclear firestorm that raged in several cities. There are less than 105,000 pulmonary care respirators (likely the most important equipment needed to treat inhalation burns, pneumonias, or even an influenza outbreak.) We would easily need ten times that or more if a pandemic or nuke attack strikes, plus legions of trained personnel to operate them.

There are not even enough bandages to cover the wounds of more than a few thousand casualties nationwide. And it's the same pathetic state of affairs in every category for first aid, long-term patient care, hospital disaster cots, rescue tools, fire fighting equipment, portable water purification plants, mobile field hospitals, portable cell phone sites, emergency radios, vaccines, decontamination trucks, heavy rescue equipment, winter tents, emergency clothing supplies, disaster blankets, sanitation supplies, food rations, radiological survey meters and dosimeters. Again, the list is endless.

We are terribly unprepared and extremely vulnerable, and not just to a nuke attack but to all types of attacks with weapons of mass destruction and, as Katrina demonstrated, from natural disasters such as severe weather and flu pandemics. And while the general public is not aware of these crucial facts, our worst enemies certainly are and intend to exploit our weaknesses in every way they can.

It was not always like this. During the Cold War, America had a substantial civil defense program with many shelters, supplies and procedures put in place. And so did the former Soviet Union and China. Many European countries also had very sophisticated programs, and most of these countries still do. Russia and China continue to build massive facilities designed to shield the populations of entire cities and even whole regions deep underground, stocked for many months full of supplies.

The Russians are suspected of building a huge underground city at Yamantau Mountain, located 850 miles east of Moscow in the Urals not far from the town of Beloretsk. During my several trips to Russia, I constantly heard stories about the extensive underground facilities in Moscow. They include secret subway systems to evacuate the leadership and all sorts of civil defensive measures.


All of their subways and those I saw in other former republics, including Ukraine, are buried so deep underground it takes five minutes to go down all the stairs to get to the train platform. There are huge blast doors tucked away from sight that close off the entrances to many stations. They have contingency plans for safeguarding critical infrastructure and even their massive manufacturing plants and other important industries.

China has a very substantial civil defense program as well. Commonly referred to as the "Beijing Underground City," this vast underground facility was ordered built by Mao Tse-tung during the time of the Sino-Soviet border conflict in 1969 over Zhenbao Island in northeast China's Heilongjiang River. It was built to withstand a nuclear attack by the Soviets, which was thought to be inevitable.

The Chinese used more than 300,000 workers over ten years to carve out the vast network of subterranean tunnels and facilities. The tunnels alone reportedly span more than 30 kilometers and cover more than 85 square kilometers of underground area. The facility is 8 to18 meters deep and has over 1,000 shelter spaces. There are thousands of trapdoors that lead into the facility from all parts of the city.

At the time it was initially constructed it was designed to house 40 percent of the city's population in less than 10 minutes. China raised international eyebrows recently when it opened the tunnels to its citizens ostensibly to let them cool off during warm weather. Outside observers doubt that excuse and believe that it was actually a drill to familiarize citizens with the facilities. As any such large-scale movement of persons into a shelter system is considered an early warning of possible intentions to launch a first strike, military planners across the world took careful note. The Chinese have incorporated extensive above-ground features such as stores, factories, theaters, warehouses, grain and petroleum storage facilities and reportedly even an ice skating rink into the underground shelter system.

Our potential adversaries' civil defense programs are still growing rapidly while America's is non-existent (except for our officials). This is absolutely shameful, nothing short of a national disgrace. There is no excuse that justifies our complete state of national unpreparedness. And unless we act immediately, we will pay dearly for this.

Unlike 9-11 when we saw many heroic efforts to help, forget about relief efforts. Most first responders will be focusing on their own family's survival. In regard to a national effort to send help, if several cities were attacked it would be almost impossible to coordinate and muster any meaningful relief efforts. The damage would just be massively overwhelming and emergency supplies and equipment tremendously insufficient for the huge task. We are completely unprepared even for a single small-scale attack.

It will take many decades to repair the electrical system, water supplies, sewers, telephone and Internet facilities, mass transit, roadways, and all other infrastructure after such an attack. In fact, some areas may never be repaired due to the enormity of the damage or due to very high radiation levels.

Think about how poorly people cope even after a minor snow storm. Look at how FEMA failed terribly during Katrina. Those trailers are still sitting unused in the mud. President Bush recently stated that it will take decades to repair the damage from Katrina. And that is mild compared to what we will be facing from a nuke attack.

Imagine the damage from Katrina times at least 100 and in a dozen or so major cities. You may wonder about evacuation. It would be simply impossible, so survivors will be stuck – no supplies, no care, no help, and no future, just lot's of suffering to go around.

Simple, inexpensive measures could be effective stopgap measures until we can get a full-scale fallout/storm shelter building program up and running. Just installing new signs to the entrances of the many thousands of existing buildings that still have fallout shelters built many years ago and since abandoned and publishing a directory for citizens to locate one near their home would save countless lives. The same holds true with signs showing evacuation routes.

Restocking existing shelters with critical supplies can be accomplished in a short time. New private shelter development can be encouraged with tax credits and rebates. FEMA could require that all new public buildings and facilities include shelters, as was the norm years ago. It could also require hospitals to stock large quantities of emergency medications and supplies. There are many other urgent actions we need to take. Some of the obvious ones are outlined in the proposed 2006 Civil Defense Improvement Act linked at the end of this article.

This is exactly why we need a new civil defense program. And such a program should be administered not by the Homeland Security Department or FEMA, but a new, compact, highly mobile, dynamic, minimally bureaucratic agency with carte blanche authority to acquire all necessary funds and resources, supplies and equipment, set national stockpiling quotas for food, medical and energy reserves, call out the national guard and the full military at its sole option, implement a national shelter construction program and set stringent policy for local and state governments to follow in the building of a strong national civil defense. And it all must be without any political partisan tampering.

Customs and Border Patrol are clueless. Mark Laria, Customs and Border Protection's port director for the Norfolk region, recently said, "People need to stop worrying about a percentage," because all containers that are thought to be risky are thoroughly examined. He said scanning 100 percent of cargo would lead to port congestion and "choke the economy." I wonder how he'll characterize the effect on the economy after terror nuke attacks on several of our major cities.

The official in charge of CSI sees his mission primarily as enabling trade, not securing our country. That official, CBP Assistant Commissioner Jason Ahern has been quoted as saying, "It makes absolutely no sense for us to screen everything coming into and going out of the country; we need to screen 100 percent of what needs to be screened and let the rest of the cargo go though expeditiously. One hundred percent screening would just choke travel and trade. We're not out to disrupt business practices."

But Mr. Ahern cannot afford to make even one simple mistake in figuring out which box to screen and which not to, because the implications of such a mistake will undoubtedly kill hundreds of thousands, if not millions of our citizens and destroy commerce, our freedoms and our very way of life. But that is exactly what will happen under the current very lax non-inspection program.

Pushing as many uninspected containers through our vulnerable ports as possible in the name of trade is foolhardy. It's criminal, contributory negligence. And it could likely lead to nothing short of mass-murder on an unprecedented scale.

The analogy I made previously to Russian ICBM's during the Cold War is a perfect one. If just one of those missiles gets through our defenses, it's all over for a major city. Somehow, I would assume that would be the ultimate disruption of business and choking of travel and trade that Mr. Ahern is so concerned about.

After such an incident where a nuke goes off in one of our ports, what longshoreman would want to handle another container? And, would we be inclined to go back to Mr. Ahern's version of "port security"? I don't think so; we'd have to inspect every container by hand. At that point, no one would ever want that job because we'd have firsthand experiences of the tragic consequences. Clearly, CBP has placed trade above security without any regard to common sense or simple logic, and this needs immediate oversight and change. If Rep. King and Sens. Clinton and Schumer really want to demonstrate their commitment to port security here's a good place to start. Otherwise, let's vote them out of office and put representatives in that understand the real threats to our national survival and who are ready to do something serious about fixing it.

By the way, only about 1 percent of containers are actually opened and physically inspected right now. Our proposed offshore security inspection ports would inspect 100 percent (not merely screen) of the containers and cargo passing through them using highly automated processes, advanced artificial intelligence controlled robotics and sensitive detection technologies.

The inspections would not add any considerable time or cost to the delivery. The ports would be privately financed at no cost to the government. Minimal inspection fees on each container would generate the operating revenues. And God forbid if a nuke exploded, the damage would be far out to sea, not in a port adjacent to our highly populated cities.

No missiles, no early warning from NORAD, no chance to shoot down incoming warheads, no submarines lurking off our shores, no super secret advanced stealth technology. Just a few thousand dollars in shipping costs, which ironically will never even be paid. All of the devices in our hypothetical disaster were concealed in cargo containers, except two, one of which came across the Mexican border assisted by the notorious MS-13 gang and one across the northern border hidden among boxes of cheap imported produce.

None could be detected, as highly enriched uranium has a negligible radiation "signature" of low energy gamma rays, which is easily concealed with simple two-centimeter lead sheets.

National destruction of a superpower, delivered to our doorsteps with a simple deception by lying on the shipping documents that the Container Security Initiative did not and could not, unsurprisingly, detect.

In an upcoming column, Pfriender will cover how you can plan now to protect your family and assure their survival after a nuclear attack. Read the full story in the upcoming new book, "No Place to Run."

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I do not believe that any terrorist groups currently have a nuclear device, because I think they will use one the moment they have it. But leaving that aside, this still scares the hell out of me.
1 posted on 04/29/2006 5:02:20 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

It's from a guy selling a book.


2 posted on 04/29/2006 5:05:27 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson

I agree, but it is still probably an accurate depiction of what a nuclear attack would be like.


3 posted on 04/29/2006 5:08:46 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

>>No place to run (Scary description of what a nuclear attack on the United States would be like)<<

I grew up in a time when our greatest enemy had the ability to kill everyone in the United States and the only thing stopping them was fear of revenge, which depended on them being rational. I lived about 5 miles from a location believed to be a first strike target.

The current situation bad and scary but nothing like the badness or scariness I grew up with.


4 posted on 04/29/2006 5:09:43 PM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
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To: wagglebee

Tyr the movie "Welcome to Ground Zero", narrated by William Shatner (he doesn't sing in it).


5 posted on 04/29/2006 5:10:59 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: wagglebee

Didn't a recent Senate study basically conclude that FEMA was totally worthless and should be scrapped? Thought I heard something...

The consequences of a nuclear device, even a small one, near a major urban area would be astounding. Horrifying and wonderful (wonderful does not always mean something good).

It would take years to recover, and there would be global political and military shifts after it.

And yes, you WOULD see the borders sealed.


6 posted on 04/29/2006 5:12:15 PM PDT by djf (Bedtime story: Once upon a time, they snuck on the boat and threw the tea over. In a land far away..)
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To: wagglebee

Don't ask a DemocRAT that question. They'd say something like, "Gee. You ask that as if that would be a bad thing."

7 posted on 04/29/2006 5:12:30 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: wagglebee

BUMP
Bookmark


8 posted on 04/29/2006 5:14:26 PM PDT by daybreakcoming (If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. A. Lincoln)
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To: gondramB

The biggest difference I see between the current situation and the Cold War is the fact that ultimately the Soviets did fear retaliation, the Soviet leadership didn't want a huge segment of their population to be killed and the Soviets were willing to communicate with us. The jihadists place no value on life, they could care less how many Muslims would be killed (themselves included) and they are not inclined to negotiate on anything.


9 posted on 04/29/2006 5:14:52 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: djf

If a Senate investigation deems FEMA worthless then I'll put my money down on FEMA. If FEMA were to investigation the Senate they'd probably recommend the President declare it a disaster zone.


10 posted on 04/29/2006 5:15:48 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: wagglebee

>>The biggest difference I see between the current situation and the Cold War is the fact that ultimately the Soviets did fear retaliation, the Soviet leadership didn't want a huge segment of their population to be killed and the Soviets were willing to communicate with us. The jihadists place no value on life, they could care less how many Muslims would be killed (themselves included) and they are not inclined to negotiate on anything.<<

Good points. I never thought I would wish we were fighting communists but at they were atheists and expected no reward in the afterlife...


11 posted on 04/29/2006 5:18:51 PM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
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To: wagglebee
This grossly overstates the damage from a 100kt ground burst at the waterline in Manhattan.

It would suck, no question.

But to do this much damage would need 4-5 20mT airbursts, and that's NOT gonna happen.

12 posted on 04/29/2006 5:19:25 PM PDT by Jim Noble (And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
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To: wagglebee

But they do...North Korea, Iran, Pakistan...


13 posted on 04/29/2006 5:22:04 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: wagglebee

Bottom lines: We can not do, and will not do, what the author recommends before a nuclear attack. It probably will take a nuking of the US to convince everyone here that this is a war for survival, and as such, must be waged as an all-out war.That would mean issuing ultimatums to terrorist harboring/sponsoring states to either give up their known extremists and allow US troops the right of hot pursuit of terrorists within their borders, or face decisive military action against them upon any refusal. It also would mean jailing fifth columnists of the Left for the duration of the conflict,including the seditionist leftist Demonrats remaining.Sorry to say, preventing a nuclear attack is not in the cards with our porous borders.


14 posted on 04/29/2006 5:25:36 PM PDT by luvbach1 (More true now than ever: Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: wagglebee

At times like this, I really appreciate freerepublic. Yep, this scenario cuts close to the bone; it scared me while I read it, thinking all the time, "What WOULD I do in case Anchorage got hit with a nuclear weapon?"; and then someone posts that he's also a guy telling to sell a book.

Yes, there's part of me that's been innoculated by Art Bell to accept any warning of apocolyptic doom as inspired BS. (Other booster shots have been provided by the Club of Rome, Hal Lindsey, and Earth First!)

Then there's the Billy Mitchell part of me, thinking that this guy is seeing over the horizon at a reality that many of us don't want to imagine or can't imagine.

I worry that some Americans would just capitulate, like Vichy France. I run into a lot of people who blame the United States for all the world's problems - including, sadly, a lot of the high school students I teach - and I don't know if they'll really fight. The "blamers" aren't fighting now against a visible threat; what would they do in a cataclysmic crisis?


15 posted on 04/29/2006 5:27:55 PM PDT by redpoll (redpoll)
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To: wagglebee

bump


16 posted on 04/29/2006 5:28:44 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Greystone, I'll miss you (5-12-2001 - 4-15-2006) RIP little buddy.)
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To: wagglebee

An accurate description of what would happen in NYC and long island.

If they had nukes, they would use them right away.

the top targets around the world are as follows for a nuclear armed Al Qaeda

NYC
London
DC
LA
Saudi oil fields.


17 posted on 04/29/2006 5:29:14 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: gondramB

Except for a period of a few days surrounding the death of a Soviet leader and the Cuban Missile Crisis and Khrushchev's ouster we always knew who was in charge, we knew where they were and we knew how to contact them and there was a huge benefit to that. We don't have that with the jihadists.

Looking back at the history of the Cold War it seems fairly clear that, beginning with Korea and continuing until the collapse of the USSR, both Washington and Moscow "understood" without even really knowing it that a direct confrontation needed to be avoided at any cost. We were both prepared to wage "proxy" wars, but we never wanted direct engagement.


18 posted on 04/29/2006 5:29:21 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: CWOJackson

Heard this apocalyptic stuff for fifty years. The part about rational Soviets versus endtimes Muslimaniacs is scary, but intentions have to be backed up by capabilities. The Soviets had the latter, the Islamofascists don't. At least for now.

But let this Cold War oldtimer recommend at least one WWIII thriller, "Alas, Babylon", c. 1958 by Pat Frank.


19 posted on 04/29/2006 5:29:51 PM PDT by elcid1970
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To: CWOJackson

scariest nuclear movie ever, a BBC flick from the 80's called Threads.


20 posted on 04/29/2006 5:30:18 PM PDT by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
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To: wagglebee

>>We were both prepared to wage "proxy" wars, but we never wanted direct engagement.<<

It is ironic how the atomic bomb prevents large scale wars.


21 posted on 04/29/2006 5:31:17 PM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
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To: Dallas59
But they do...North Korea, Iran, Pakistan...

North Korea is "rational" when compared to the likes of al Qaida.

Iran doesn't have anything weaponized yet, because the WILL use them the minute they do. And I think that Israel will probably take out all of Iran's nuclear capabilities in the near future.

Pakistan has nukes, but I have a feeling that we have more control over them than even they realize. Plus Pakistan is very interested in the United States keeping a BILLION Indians and a BILLION PLUS Chinese from overwhelming them.

22 posted on 04/29/2006 5:35:12 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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It is ironic how the atomic bomb prevents large scale wars.

But that only works when the opposing sides are both operating from a position of at least basic reason.

23 posted on 04/29/2006 5:37:17 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: gondramB

those people were afraid of retaliation.....these are insane and would love to die for the cause....Not good


24 posted on 04/29/2006 5:39:43 PM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: wagglebee

Hopefully he had an editor for his boook; he could have used one for this piece. For instance, he states that the nukes in his scenario blow up while being handled by customs agents, but two of the nukes are in Vegas and Chicago - huh?

And he states that this disaster exceeds Pearl Harbor and September 11 by a "millionfold". In the case of September 11, this means it would kill - cue Dr. Evil voice - three BILLION people. Doubt it.

Scary scenario, but the man needs an editor.


25 posted on 04/29/2006 5:40:34 PM PDT by xjcsa (Bill Clinton: A pile of crap between two Bushes)
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To: wagglebee

Oh crap, those -are- excerpts from the book. Wow. Like I said, the man needs an editor.


26 posted on 04/29/2006 5:45:15 PM PDT by xjcsa (Bill Clinton: A pile of crap between two Bushes)
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To: wagglebee
Clicky Here to Watch How To Survive an Atom Bomb
27 posted on 04/29/2006 5:47:09 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: xjcsa
And he states that this disaster exceeds Pearl Harbor and September 11 by a "millionfold". In the case of September 11, this means it would kill - cue Dr. Evil voice - three BILLION people. Doubt it.

However, if you "edit" and change the word to "thousandfold," it becomes THREE MILLION PEOPL (a figure which is not unrealistic for NYC, LA or Chicago) and that is a catastrophe beyond anything we have ever experienced.

28 posted on 04/29/2006 5:47:11 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

I guess its like the death penalty having zero effect on a serial killer...


29 posted on 04/29/2006 5:48:26 PM PDT by CGASMIA68
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To: Jackknife

PING


30 posted on 04/29/2006 5:52:03 PM PDT by The Drowning Witch (Sono La Voce della Nazione Selvaggia)
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To: finnman69

Considering the history of the Islamic terrorists,
we find that in the case of the WTC the failure of
the first attempt only drove them to come up with a
better plan.

I think that they would attack Washington DC if they could get their hands on a nuke, they failed on their first attack
and they will have to succeed to live up to their image.
The Iranians already have missiles capable of carrying
a nuclear warhead and would only need a range of less
than 500 miles if launched from the hold of a freighter or
container ship.


31 posted on 04/29/2006 6:05:09 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: wagglebee
However, if you "edit" and change the word to "thousandfold," it becomes THREE MILLION PEOPL (a figure which is not unrealistic for NYC, LA or Chicago) and that is a catastrophe beyond anything we have ever experienced.

Agreed. My point was this: if someone has something worthwhile to say, it's a good idea to take the time and effort to say it well. Writing loses a lot of power when done shabbily.

32 posted on 04/29/2006 6:07:43 PM PDT by xjcsa (Bill Clinton: A pile of crap between two Bushes)
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To: wagglebee

Unfortunately, I think this scenario might be the only thing that would cause the "grow at any cost" crowd in Washington to seal the borders and (gasp) really start checking social security numbers. And even then, it would be a big maybe.


33 posted on 04/29/2006 6:10:35 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: wagglebee
Given China's growing power and its leadership, (Communists who don't mind killing their own people if it gets them where they want to be), I'd consider her the most dangerous potential today.

They're not building all their weapons and preparing their forces for defense, I'll bet. And since they apparently have greater capabilities since the Clinton administration sold and gave and allowed our superior technology to be stolen by Beijing, my thinking, for what it's worth, is that they will eventually attack the US–when they think they're strong enough and we're unsuspecting enough.

What difference would it make to them if they lost half their population, or three-fourths of their people in a retaliatory strike by the US?

What they'd gain, of course, is the undying dream of Communists: world domination. And if we were out of the way, who would challenge that claim? (Don't bet on Europe.)

But we'd never believe they'd do such a thing, and even if we saw incoming, we might not be able to say definitively China fired them, if they were off the coasts of the US in the new subs they're building, cloaked, no doubt, in the stealth technology our Navy uses, which I believe they already have.

The real irony of such a scenario is that we're helping pay for China's growing might with a balance of trade that is beyond comprehension.

For more stuff on EMP, see this page in FR: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/search?SX=44540f4aceb3ddaa4a3a369b5d9f327e88599d46;m=any;o=score;ok=Search;q=deep;s=emp;t=-1

This really is scary stuff.

34 posted on 04/29/2006 6:17:10 PM PDT by Trot
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To: wagglebee
This is nonsense. First of all, terrorists who can obtain an atom bomb have resources, and much better resources than a front company for shipping.

So this guy wants the government to visually inspect the contents of every container that comes into the United States. How? By opening each one and taking everything out of them, then opening each crate to see if it has lead shielding, then scanning everything with a Geiger Counter?

While they're doing that, the terrorists are able to get several atom bombs, even though there are only a dozen sources for them in the world. Atom bombs are not cheap. They are not easy to get. So if you can get one, you have extensive resources, financial and human.

While they're obtaining the atom bombs, somebody tells them that the best way to explode one is an air burst, not a ground burst. Maybe they even read the old Civil Defense publications that review this.

They rent a few Gulfstreams, fly them over the targets, and detonate the bombs.

Once the bombs are in the air, no inspection can stop them. The only way to fight is to control the bombs so they can't get one. If they do get one, fear will not help. Neither will anger at FEMA.

Inspecting cargo won't do anything to help. The only thing to do about this is to control the supply.

35 posted on 04/29/2006 6:19:47 PM PDT by sig226
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To: wagglebee
Scaremongering for profit.

It should be a requirement for anyone who ever uses pictures of Hiroshima to illustrate "what a nuclear attack would look like" to explain that most structures in Hiroshima were built largely of wood and rice paper.

36 posted on 04/29/2006 6:23:42 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("Osama... made the mistake of confusing media conventional wisdom with reality" (Mark Steyn))
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To: wagglebee

Better give me all your money for safekeeping. You're too trusting.


37 posted on 04/29/2006 6:25:49 PM PDT by Thud
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To: Trot
The best assurance we have of peace with the Chicoms (and this is admittedly dubious at best) is the fact that the West and especially the United States has turned China into an economic superpower. The Chicoms don't want to lose that. When it becomes dangerous is when they have enough economic power that it doesn't matter anymore.

I think the best hope for the situation with the Chicoms is the fact that since they have embraced the basics of capitalism the way they have, that the Chinese people will begin to understand that communism doesn't actually work. With their newfound wealth, their leaders may eventually realize that they don't need totalitarianism to succeed, nor do they need to wage war with America. I think that in the near future, there will be another Tiennamen Square and this time the Chicoms won't have the will to slaughter so many innocents while the entire world watches.

38 posted on 04/29/2006 6:29:35 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
The only way to stop this problem is to inspect each and every container in one of three special security ports to be built 25 miles out to sea where a nuclear explosion or chemical or biological weapon will have negligible effects on our cities.

...and of course, the guys with the nuke are going to be good, law-abiding little boys and stop at the checkpoint so they can get caught. Right. Let's be honest: I don't think the legitimate guys are going to be all that happy about spending time, money and fuel to divert for inspection--even if they have more than three ports, which I strongly suspect they'd need to make this work. The nutters are just going to ignore the process entirely.

This needs a little work like New Orleans needs a little work. (Speaking of which, the big problem in New Orleans wasn't that FEMA wasn't ready, but that the local guys clearly weren't ready for something they reasonably should have been.)

39 posted on 04/29/2006 6:36:51 PM PDT by RichInOC (Objects In Windshield Are Closer Than They Appear)
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To: denydenydeny
It should be a requirement for anyone who ever uses pictures of Hiroshima to illustrate "what a nuclear attack would look like" to explain that most structures in Hiroshima were built largely of wood and rice paper.

Of course the 200,000+ people who died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki (nearly half the combined population of the two cities) were made up of the same skin and bones that we are.

40 posted on 04/29/2006 6:41:21 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Dallas59

Clicky Here to Watch How To Survive an Atom Bomb




What a startling "Adult " film.

I have a collection of Civil Defense pamphlets from the 50s and 60s and they have the same adult to adult, informational writing style.

The same pamphlets from the 80s talk down to the reader, and don't really give any usable information, it is mostly "try not to panic and wait for the govt." repeated in different ways.

That old black and white film at your link is a reminder of when we were a nation of grownups and men, and it has a lot of useful information.


41 posted on 04/29/2006 7:00:55 PM PDT by ansel12
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To: sig226; wagglebee
Commercial airliners would be the easiest.

Planes take off from all over the world and land here.

It can't be that hard to replace the passengers with a nuke at the start and fly into US airspace as a standard scheduled flight. No suspicion as it is allowed to fly over/into any major city in the country.

Game over.

An oil tanker would make a good transporter as well (other than being sea level at detonation). There's no way to tell what's buried in millions of gallons of crude oil. Inspection would be impossible. There's plenty of major oil ports near large cities.

The bottom line is trying to prevent a nuke from getting into the country by inspections or interceding at the border is basically impossible. It is a waste of resources pursuing an impossible goal.

The only hope is taking them out at the source long before they get here.
42 posted on 04/29/2006 7:16:06 PM PDT by DB ()
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To: DB
They'd be better off buying a small private jet and just detonate on approach to Reagan national. We wouldn't even know what the hell happened.
43 posted on 04/29/2006 7:36:01 PM PDT by RHINO369
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To: RHINO369

Why so expensive? How about a Cessna 180 or smaller?


44 posted on 04/29/2006 7:43:20 PM PDT by TaMoDee
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To: redpoll
a lot of the high school students I teach - and I don't know if they'll really fight

you can be certain that they will fight.

They will fight you and anyone else that gets in the way of them having what they want and need, following a catastrophy such as this.

Our internal enemies will will be our biggest problem, post nuke attack.

45 posted on 04/29/2006 7:44:16 PM PDT by Bear_Slayer (When liberty is outlawed only outlaws will have liberty)
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To: gondramB
The thing the enemy has on their side is that they know that they just have to bide their time and there will be a weak President elected that they can blackmail.

You woud think that this administrations response to Iran at a minimum is to put anybody who prays to Allah on notice that they will be targeted in retaliation for any nuclear strike.

Instead we are being told that Saudi Arabia and Dubai are our allies.

Muslims are treacherous insane maniacs who will use nukes the moment they are able to precisely because they believe that we will not know who to retaliate against.

With this bunch in the White House and anybody else on the horizon that may take its polace the ragheads are probably right in their assumption.

Don't think China and Russia won't threaten to strike us back if we retaliate against the mideast either.

All because our leadership is clueless.

46 posted on 04/29/2006 7:49:37 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: djf

Who would seal the borders after an attack? The powers that be, which would be the powers that are, would argue that they need more people to take are of the people sick with radiation exposure that the Americanos do not want to care for.


47 posted on 04/29/2006 7:58:42 PM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: wagglebee
Something I posted earlier on a Bird Flu thread:

"I had a dream last night that a cat-4 hurricane was hitting Houston and as the eye crossed the city, terrorists decided to explode a dirty bomb in the eye and the hurricane dragged the radiation all across the eastern US. (I don't know what the life or lethality is of a dirty bomb so, another silly dream/idea?) I'm not prepared for a dirty bomb!"

23 posted on 04/29/2006 7:35:59 PM CDT by blam

48 posted on 04/29/2006 8:00:56 PM PDT by blam
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To: redpoll

They would fight each other for the local spoils - there would be no enemy further away from that, and no planning further than today, and no supplies to ration except for this afternoon.


49 posted on 04/29/2006 8:02:01 PM PDT by LachlanMinnesota
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To: wagglebee

No one wins in a nuclear war.

Does any would-be enemy foolish enough to attack us really think that they could escape the wrath of our boomers (nuclear subs)?

If we are attacked the attacking country will be utterly destroyed.


50 posted on 04/29/2006 8:04:18 PM PDT by Supernatural (I used to care but things have changed.)
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