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Forgiving the unforgivable (Michael Berg forgives Zarqawi for hacking off his sons head)
The Sydney Morning Herald ^ | May 1, 2006

Posted on 04/30/2006 10:19:15 AM PDT by jmc1969

Michael Berg has come to terms with his son's murderer. But to most Americans that man is still enemy No.1, writes Martin Daly in New York.

In the darkness, when the pain becomes too great, Michael Berg pulls out a chair for the man who decapitated his son and talks to him about compassion and forgiveness.

Michael Berg has cried publicly many times for his dead son but he has forgiven Zarqawi, considered by the Americans to be the premier threat to peace in Iraq, but who remains free despite a $US25 million ($33 million) bounty on his head, and the huge numbers of personnel and technological resources being used to track him down.

In offering forgiveness to a man who this week told the world he planned to continue killing, Berg has had to go down dark, complex paths and has had to come to terms with an horrendous loss that has become public property.

(Excerpt) Read more at smh.com.au ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: beheading; bipolar; bizarre; certifiable; checkupfromneckup; coocooforcocoapuffs; crackpot; crazy; forgiveness; hostages; insane; iraq; lunacy; manic; manicepisode; mentalillness; michaelberg; nickberg; nuts; offhismeds; seekhelpmrberg; zarqawi
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And this fool is running for Congress.
1 posted on 04/30/2006 10:19:19 AM PDT by jmc1969
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To: jmc1969

The forgiveness has to come from the son, does it not?


2 posted on 04/30/2006 10:21:14 AM PDT by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: jmc1969
Offering forgiveness to an unrepentant murderer is a fool's move.
3 posted on 04/30/2006 10:23:14 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: jmc1969
And this fool is running for Congress.

Never trust a potential politician who so lightly gives away what is not his to give.

4 posted on 04/30/2006 10:23:41 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: P-40
You must not be a parent.

One must forgive or go mad from hate.

5 posted on 04/30/2006 10:25:03 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: jmc1969

Idiot. Would your dead son would forgive him? I sure as hell, wouldn't.

This dolt and Sheehan would make a perfect couple.


6 posted on 04/30/2006 10:25:08 AM PDT by butternut_squash_bisque (The recipe's at my FR HomePage)
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To: jmc1969

He blames Bush. So I suppose that makes it easier to forgive Zarqawi. What a fool.


7 posted on 04/30/2006 10:26:03 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: jmc1969

It's easy for him to make his peace with savage murdering terrorists far away who sawed off his son's head - it's only Republicans in the USA that he hates. Terrorists who murder countless thousands of helpless innocents are OK - it's only evil Republicans who want to stand up and fight back that are bad, bad, bad....


8 posted on 04/30/2006 10:26:27 AM PDT by Enchante (Mary McCarthy & Richard Clarke: Al Qaeda and Iraq helped to produce VX in Sudan!!!)
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To: jmc1969

The man is a certified crackpot.


9 posted on 04/30/2006 10:26:49 AM PDT by the Real fifi
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To: jmc1969

Did he ask for forgiveness?


10 posted on 04/30/2006 10:26:51 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: jmc1969
Perhaps he should make a trip to Iraq, offer himself up to Zarqawi and then see how Martin Luther King-like he has the ability to be.
11 posted on 04/30/2006 10:27:05 AM PDT by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: jmc1969

His son died to provide amusement for third world trash.


12 posted on 04/30/2006 10:27:12 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Manic_Episode

Correct - the choice is obvious, but some people choose to go made from hate.


13 posted on 04/30/2006 10:28:26 AM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God is giving you countless observable clues of His existence!)
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To: Manic_Episode
You're absolutely right. Sometimes forgiveness is not for the other person--it's for you.
14 posted on 04/30/2006 10:28:45 AM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: Manic_Episode
One must forgive or go mad from hate.

You can accept reality and live with it, make your peace with life or what have you without forgiving...but the son is the one who took the ultimate loss, not the father. The murderer has not served his punishment either so why even think of forgiving him?
15 posted on 04/30/2006 10:28:49 AM PDT by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: jmc1969

This is the guy whose wife wouldn't allow the news media in her house. At least she's sane.


16 posted on 04/30/2006 10:30:43 AM PDT by jazusamo (-- Married a WAC in '65 and I'm still reenlisting. :-)
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To: jmc1969
And has he "forgiven" President Bush? I seem to remember some harsh words about his President from this man.

Did Zarqawi ask for his forgiveness? If not, it cannot legitimately be given. Otherwise, he is saying that Zarqawi was right to behead his son. Does he realize that?

17 posted on 04/30/2006 10:31:18 AM PDT by chesley (Liberals...what's not to loathe?)
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To: jmc1969
And this fool is running for Congress.

Just what the USofA needs, another Kontempible Kook in Kongress.

18 posted on 04/30/2006 10:32:26 AM PDT by steelyourfaith
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To: jmc1969

"In the darkness, when the pain becomes too great, Michael Berg pulls out a chair for the man who decapitated his son and talks to him about compassion and forgiveness."

Man thanks Michael in an emotional moment, then proceeds to decapitate him too.


19 posted on 04/30/2006 10:33:05 AM PDT by ScottfromNJ
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To: jmc1969
But has this clown forgiven President Bush? If my memory serves me correctly all this man did whenever a camera was around was cry about his son but blamed President Bush.

I'm not so easily duped by this man's "compassion". He's no better than Cindy Sheehan.

20 posted on 04/30/2006 10:33:14 AM PDT by manwiththehands (No, usted no puede!)
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To: jmc1969
"And this fool is running for Congress."

A liberal hero, for sure.

21 posted on 04/30/2006 10:33:28 AM PDT by Baynative (If you wish to read this message in English - press 'uno' ...)
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To: jmc1969

More evidence that the Left has gone completely insane.


22 posted on 04/30/2006 10:34:37 AM PDT by RBroadfoot
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To: jmc1969

Interesting. A man forgives the man who killed his son. That's not an easy thing to do, I'd imagine. I've seen it happen a few times in horrible murder cases.

Yet, it's what Christians are called upon to do. It's a rare person who can manage it.

I will say nothing bad about a man who can bring himself to follow his beliefs that far.


23 posted on 04/30/2006 10:34:43 AM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: Manic_Episode

I'm a parent, and I think not.

There is a middle ground between forgiveness and hatred. That is the pursuit of justice.

You have to get on with your life, yes. You may give up the desire for revenge. But that does not mean that you offer your forgiveness to the murderer. Especially if he has not asked for it. If he does, well, Christ commanded us to forgive, so you'd have to make the effort, I guess.

But suppose the murderer intends to kill other men's sons? Only a complete moral leper would consider forgiving him. And a moral leper is what Mr. Berg is.


24 posted on 04/30/2006 10:35:23 AM PDT by chesley (Liberals...what's not to loathe?)
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To: jmc1969
Someone please tell me what planet these people are living on. Is this the future our children have to look forward to. Are these the kind of people that will soon be running our country. Will we stay home next November because we don't like our Rinos in Congress and allow something like this to come to Washington to decide the future for our children and grandchildren. This tells me there is something way more dangerous waiting around the corner.
25 posted on 04/30/2006 10:35:31 AM PDT by SHOOT THE MOON bat (Disclaimer: No live moonbats were harmed during the making of this screen name.)
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To: Manic_Episode
One must forgive or go mad from hate.

I AM a parent, and I can assure you that I would without hesitation prefer the latter.

26 posted on 04/30/2006 10:35:56 AM PDT by Maceman (Fake but accurate, and now double-sourced)
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To: jmc1969

Too bad he could not exchange himself for his son's unfotunate fate..


27 posted on 04/30/2006 10:37:43 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Manic_Episode

Had someone done this to my son I would not have ever been able to recover my sanity. When my kids get sick with the flu I freak out like a little old fretful granny.
The cult of Islam itself is monstrous, of course, and breeds the Attas and Bin Ladens and Zarqawis. Still, I lived abroad, and know many muslims who I count as friends, Sunni, Shite and Druze, and they are not massively screwed up, nor savages. Nor do they want to kill me or trample on who we are.

I feel deeply sad for this man; more, I feel compelled to excuse him his lunacy, and understand entirely his hope that muslims might see reason. There is no such thing as false hope (from Milton to presnt day individuals throw this term around -one may either hope, or have no hope). He is hopeful, and I would not begrudge him that, especially given the horror he's faced.

I have hope. Or perhaps more accurately, I have not lost hope: that we will win, that we will achieve peace, that the middle east will find a non-violent, non hateful way forward.

Sorry for the tender moment.


28 posted on 04/30/2006 10:37:48 AM PDT by Plymouth Sentinel (Sooner Rather Than Later)
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To: jmc1969
Berg is just thinking like your average boomer baby (of which I am one).

"Hell! It wasn't MY head!"

29 posted on 04/30/2006 10:39:19 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Stop the importation of third world poverty to the USA. Seal the borders now!)
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To: MineralMan
I will say nothing bad about a man who can bring himself to follow his beliefs that far.

Nor will I.

30 posted on 04/30/2006 10:39:21 AM PDT by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: jmc1969
But Berg, 61, sits there in his own home and, in conversations with an empty chair, conducted as if they were between men of reason, he tells the feared and hated assassin and the architect of mass murder and beheadings that, in ways, they are not so dissimilar.

I agree with him on this point.

31 posted on 04/30/2006 10:39:57 AM PDT by chesley (Liberals...what's not to loathe?)
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To: Manic_Episode
Berg has had to go down dark, complex paths and has had to come to terms with an horrendous loss

Couldn't get past the first page. Berg is disgusting. Sure, he's gone down some dark paths because he encouraged Nick to go over there and sneak around with the thugs. Do you not remember that? He's only forgiving the murder because he can't live with own involvement. If all is forgiven, then he's off the hook as well. But then again, making this a public matter instead of keeping it within himself will gain him some publicity for his congressional run. He's more dispicable than Cindy.

32 posted on 04/30/2006 10:40:09 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: Wormwood

"Nor will I."

Thanks. On the other hand, that doesn't mean I'd vote for this guy for elected office.


33 posted on 04/30/2006 10:40:20 AM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: jmc1969

Crazy as a crack house rat


34 posted on 04/30/2006 10:42:13 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: chesley
There is a middle ground between forgiveness and hatred. That is the pursuit of justice.

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I'm with ya.

One can forgive but still hold someone accountable.

35 posted on 04/30/2006 10:42:23 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: jmc1969

this surprises anyone??

Immediately after that horrific video Berg's old man was running in front of every camera possible saying his son "died because of the sins of George Bush and Dick Cheney"...

it was never Zarqawi's fault...always the fault of the US President!


36 posted on 04/30/2006 10:42:27 AM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: jmc1969

Did Zarqawi ask for forgivess, say he was wrong to do it, sorry, or regretted it?


37 posted on 04/30/2006 10:43:21 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: chesley

Great reply, Chesley. In today's cloud-cuckoo world, ideas may be declared evil, but the people who hold and generate such ideas must be "understood."

Yet actions (or inactions) inflicted by people are what really cause suffering.

There really is no difference between the sin and the sinner, except that the sinner has the ability to understand and then regret and disavow the sin.

If Berg's father wishes to embrace that which it is evil, it makes him as evil as those who commit such acts.

This will not be said any place but FR since to do so would be to force people to confront the contemptible lies by which they avoid contemplating the consequences of their actions.

McVey


38 posted on 04/30/2006 10:44:08 AM PDT by mcvey (,)
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To: jmc1969
This is just the natural path you have to go down if you support the liberal belief system.

If America is evil then the enemy of America must be good - even if that enemy has beheaded your son. Liberals believe that they do good. What they really do is support causes that lead to the deaths of people by the millions. Recall that famous saying by Lincoln Steffens who visited Russia in 1919 and when he returned in 1921 commented, "I have seen the future and it works." Yes indeed - it worked to kill 30,000,000 people. Michael Berg is just one of the more recent in a long series of ignorant do-gooders.

39 posted on 04/30/2006 10:44:42 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: jmc1969

I can understand not wanting to live with a raging hatred eating up one's insides, but I hope that he understands his offer of forgiveness is contingent upon Zarqawi repenting--which of course requires him recognizing what he did was wrong. I don't see that happening.


40 posted on 04/30/2006 10:44:50 AM PDT by Burkean
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To: MineralMan
Thanks. On the other hand, that doesn't mean I'd vote for this guy for elected office.

That goes without saying.

Many of the politicians I happily support are most likely small-minded, bigoted, mendacious and venal. But they help push an agenda I agree with, so I overlook their personal failings in favor of longer-term goals.

41 posted on 04/30/2006 10:44:52 AM PDT by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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To: Plymouth Sentinel
For myself, I do not begrudge him whatever comfort he can find, however he finds it. His losses have, indeed, been terrible.

Where I hold him in contempt is his willful obstruction of people who are trying to prevent other such murders and outrages.

42 posted on 04/30/2006 10:45:15 AM PDT by chesley (Liberals...what's not to loathe?)
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To: MineralMan
But this man won't forgive President Bush, even though he had nothing to do with the beheading. It is delusional selectivity.

Sorry, as a Christian myself, I think he is selectively and misguidedly forgiving a horrid shadow of a man who continues to slaughter innocents for world conquest and power, a man who before he is justly killed will likely never know he did anything wrong in his bloodlust.

43 posted on 04/30/2006 10:45:19 AM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: jmc1969
It's the quiet ones like Soros the convinced provider of world wide socialism that finance and keep rotating the likes of Sheehan and Berg.
The front of move on.org plays it perfectly by not even remotely associate publicly with the real power brokers and financiers on whom the entire operation of conversion to worldwide secularism/socialism/egalitarianism depends upon.
44 posted on 04/30/2006 10:46:33 AM PDT by hermgem
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But there is also a belief, shared by Berg, that the US has used Zarqawi as the bogyman to instil terror into the American people and to justify its military involvement in Iraq.

"He is the No.1 symbol of what Americans should fear and because we fear him, we should turn over all our rights and support the war," says Berg, who blames George Bush as much as anyone for the death of his son because he started and perpetuated the war. But he has, he says, forgiven Bush too.

Gee. Thats nice.

45 posted on 04/30/2006 10:47:10 AM PDT by Delta 21 ( MKC USCG - ret)
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To: Lakeshark

"But this man won't forgive President Bush, even though he had nothing to do with the beheading. It is delusional selectivity. "

I have no idea what his attitude is toward President Bush. I don't know if he blames Bush or much of anything else. I am commenting solely on his stated forgiveness of the man who killed his son.

Beyond that, I have no comment.


46 posted on 04/30/2006 10:47:18 AM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: manwiththehands

Precisely. He never blamed Zarqawi in the first place. He's always blamed Bush. Did he offer Bush forgiveness? No. So he's not forgiven anything. This is all for show. He's a hypocrite, a liar and a fool.


47 posted on 04/30/2006 10:48:10 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: Mr. Mojo

WWJD


48 posted on 04/30/2006 10:49:38 AM PDT by jern
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To: jmc1969

Personal forgiveness is one thing, and God bless Michael Berg if he's been able to find such grace and compassion in the depths of his soul. But he cannot speak for all Americans and certainly not for the US govt.. To claim that right he endangers this country and every single US citizen.


49 posted on 04/30/2006 10:51:46 AM PDT by hershey
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To: jern

Quite frankly, I don't care.


50 posted on 04/30/2006 10:51:58 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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