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Government Remains Biggest Oil Profiteer(Excellent piece!)
Real Clear Politics ^ | April 30, 2006 | Thomas Bray

Posted on 04/30/2006 11:19:14 AM PDT by kellynla

Republicans from George Bush on down caved last week to the latest round of hysteria by agreeing, among other ideas, to yet another investigation of gasoline prices. Never mind that every time the matter has been reviewed, the verdict has been the same: market forces account for virtually all of the supposed "gouging."

Not that one need have warm fuzzy feelings towards the oil companies and their extremely well paid executives. As the founder of economics, Adam Smith, observed in 1776, "People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public."

But Smith went on to point out that the best antidote to such tendencies is competition, not regulation - which, he noted, usually winds up making government part of the conspiracy. And in any case evidence is strong that competition is not lacking, at least in that part of the oil business that hasn't been nationalized by foreign governments

(Excerpt) Read more at realclearpolitics.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: gas; gougers; governmentprofits; oil; taxes; therealgougers; thievingpoliticians
"Washington should cool its carburetors."
1 posted on 04/30/2006 11:19:17 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: kellynla

>>As the founder of economics, Adam Smith, observed in 1776, "People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public."<<

With respect to Mr. Smith he had only seen seen British capitalism under a monarch. Modern American capitalism together with technology has a substantially different outlook.


2 posted on 04/30/2006 11:23:51 AM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
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3 posted on 04/30/2006 11:29:25 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: gondramB

"With daily global demand roughly 85 million barrels per day, the world's oil producers have less than 2 million barrels per day of spare production capacity, and most of that is for Saudi blends of oil that are less ideal for manufacturing transportation fuels.

Oil traders are nervous about geopolitical tensions ranging from violence in Nigeria to the West's nuclear standoff with Iran to the move toward greater nationalization of natural resources in energy-rich Venezuela.

The global economy is expanding, and that means the thirst for oil is only going to grow.

Speculative investors are piling into energy markets as a way to profit from soaring prices and geopolitical turmoil that could potentially be bad for equities prices."

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/printstory.mpl/business/energy/3817761


4 posted on 04/30/2006 11:32:31 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: gondramB
>>As the founder of economics, Adam Smith, observed in 1776, "People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public."<<

With respect to Mr. Smith he had only seen seen British capitalism under a monarch. Modern American capitalism together with technology has a substantially different outlook.

If you mean that "Modern American capitalism" has made Smiths comment even more apropos, I agree.

Lets face it, - without government/corporate controls, we would have true free markets.
No doubt this freedom would be too chaotic for most, but what price can be put on liberty?

5 posted on 04/30/2006 11:37:10 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: kellynla

You nailed it. Check the weekly open interest summary. Two weeks ago it was one million contracts.


6 posted on 04/30/2006 11:38:44 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: tpaine

CA, NY and many other states put sales taxes on the dollar amount. This is usually in addition to other taxes that are on a per gallon basis.

Talk about about a windfall.............


7 posted on 04/30/2006 11:41:22 AM PDT by umgud (the profound is only so to those that it is)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
"In other words, gasoline prices were lower than at any time since 1919 for much of recent history. Some conspiracy! Maybe somebody should have been investigating consumers for "gouging" the oil companies.

And just who is the profiteer here? While the average profit on the sale of a gallon of gasoline is nine cents, the average state and federal tax on that same gallon of gasoline is about 45 cents (and 52 cents in Michigan). And if we must have an investigation, how about investigating the extent to which government regulations drive up prices and block new production?"

8 posted on 04/30/2006 11:42:35 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: tpaine

>> If you mean that "Modern American capitalism" has made Smiths comment even more apropos, I agree.

Lets face it, - without government/corporate controls, we would have true free markets.
No doubt this freedom would be too chaotic for most, but what price can be put on liberty?<<

Yes. But that's not the way I read Smith's comment - it sounded to me like he feared unrestrained capitalism because of collusion. That is less of a concern today as the barriers for entry are lower.


9 posted on 04/30/2006 11:56:51 AM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
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To: gondramB
"-- As the founder of economics, Adam Smith, observed in 1776, "People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public."
But Smith went on to point out that the best antidote to such tendencies is competition, not regulation - which, he noted, usually winds up making government part of the conspiracy. --"

Lets face it, - without government/corporate controls, we would have true free markets.
No doubt this freedom would be too chaotic for most, but what price can be put on liberty?

Yes. But that's not the way I read Smith's comment - it sounded to me like he feared unrestrained capitalism because of collusion.

Government/business collusion [regulation] is a restraint on free market capitalism. -- Smith didn't fear unregulated markets, he wanted them.

That is less of a concern today as the barriers for entry are lower.

"Barriers for entry [to markets?] are lower"? -- Where?

10 posted on 04/30/2006 12:19:25 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine

>>"Barriers for entry [to markets?] are lower"? -- Where?<<

Maybe they aren't lower than in 1776. But they are lower inthe information age than in the industrial age. Of my 10 closest friends from high school at least 7 have started at least one business - I don't think any previous generation has had that kind of business formation.


11 posted on 04/30/2006 12:41:21 PM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
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To: gondramB

Our western expansion after the civil war probably had more percentage of self-employed people than any era since.


12 posted on 04/30/2006 12:55:29 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
>>Our western expansion after the civil war probably had more percentage of self-employed people than any era since.<<

I believe you are correct. Even many people with jobs in the west were what we'd call independent contractors today.
13 posted on 04/30/2006 1:33:41 PM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
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To: kellynla

Does anyone know how much tax money the gov. takes in compared to what the oil co. profit is? Would interesting


14 posted on 04/30/2006 3:33:59 PM PDT by G-Man 1
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To: G-Man 1

the numbers came out last week, if you do a little googling; you'll probably find it...since 1970 the oil companies profited in the tens of billions while the government profited in the hundreds of billions


15 posted on 04/30/2006 3:50:52 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: G-Man 1
"Does anyone know how much tax money the gov. takes in compared to what the oil co. profit is?" here it is http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/1139.html

There is more data in the link. How's that for an accurate response? LOL
16 posted on 04/30/2006 4:05:09 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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