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Vigilantes behind immigration raids?[Austin, Texas]
Austin American-Statesman ^ | April 29, 2006 | Juan Castillo

Posted on 05/01/2006 4:42:08 AM PDT by SwinneySwitch

As federal officials keep silent on rumors, Austin officials question whether groups impersonating officers are terrorizing residents.

With widespread reports of immigration raids in Austin multiplying and federal officials refusing to say whether the rumors are true, city and immigrant rights leaders Friday raised the possibility that vigilantes might be impersonating law enforcement officers and terrorizing immigrants and citizens.

At a City Hall news conference, they called on government officials to be open about information that might help explain the numerous raid reports sweeping Austin and the region.

"I think everyone just wants answers," Council Member Raul Alvarez said. "If it isn't the government doing it, who's to say it's not some other group that's doing this and is potentially violating the rights of our citizens?"

But a spokeswoman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement said Friday that the agency remained steadfast in its position of never commenting on its operations as a consideration of officer and public safety.

"That's just policy," Nina Pruneda said.

A written statement from the agency said individuals have the right to ask for identification if approached by a law enforcement officer and should call 911 and ask for police assistance if they are suspicious.

"To report suspicious activity to ICE, call 1-866-DHS-2ICE," the statement said.

Austin police, meanwhile, said they had not heard of reports that vigilantes might be impersonating officers.

The immigrant rights leaders who joined Alvarez and former Mayor Gus Garcia at Friday's news conference said continued reports led them to raise the possibility that vigilantes are behind the raids.

The leaders said they continued to field numerous firsthand accounts from sources that they deem credible about immigration raids at construction sites, store parking lots and in neighborhoods.

The reports have created a climate of fear among illegal immigrants who fear being arrested and separated from their families and from their children who are U.S. citizens.

"I can't have that many accounts of raids from very reliable people and then be told that nothing is happening," said the Rev. Lydia Hernandez of Manos de Cristo in Austin, which provides dental care, clothing and food to the poor.

Hernandez said some reports have described immigration agents knocking on apartment doors and taking people away.

"The question is, who's doing it," Garcia said. "We want to know who's doing it, where are they doing it, so that we can address those concerns that people have."

Garcia urged people to call police if they think that their rights are being violated.

Citizens are getting caught up in the raids, Alvarez said, relating how one citizen told of agents in an unmarked van who asked workers at a construction site for two forms of identification. Six were unable to produce IDs and were taken away, he said.

On Tuesday, while discounting the reports of raids as unfounded rumors, Mexican Consul General Jorge Guajardo also called on U.S. authorities and his office in Austin to work "to the extent possible to let the people know that these are not taking place."

Guajardo said the reports had led to severe unintended consequences. In addition to not going to work and school, some immigrants were neglecting medical care and even risking their children's health, he said.

Hernandez said many students stopped coming to her agency's English as a second language classes and others were forgoing trips there for food, clothing and other basic needs.

jcastillo@statesman.com; 445-3635


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegals; immigrantlist; vigilantes
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To: clawrence3
"Impersonating law enforcement officers and terrorizing immigrants and citizens is against the law too."

It's propaganda. Don't be so naive.
41 posted on 05/01/2006 5:36:06 AM PDT by toddlintown (Lennon takes six bullets to the chest, Yoko is standing right next to him and not one f'ing bullet?)
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To: Publius6961

Have a nice day too - take a look at the stats I am about to post as well.


42 posted on 05/01/2006 5:36:09 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3

I guess you didn't read my post in it's entirety. I most certainly did answer your question.


43 posted on 05/01/2006 5:42:53 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.)
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To: SwinneySwitch
to raise the possibility that vigilantes are behind the raids.

People say anything to get in the papers. And Austin did have a big bust of about three hundred or so people, but not for immigration violations...just a big roundup of child molesters, rapists, etc.
44 posted on 05/01/2006 5:43:15 AM PDT by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: clawrence3
I think my initial post was terrorists shooting up your workplace - that wouldn't concern you whatsoever?

Of course it would. As would a 50-ton meteorite landing on it.

I however, would rather deal with reality, not speculation or rumors. Hope that's all right with you.

45 posted on 05/01/2006 5:43:31 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: SwinneySwitch

I'm beginning to believe that "vigilante" is not such a bad word.


46 posted on 05/01/2006 5:46:35 AM PDT by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: clawrence3
Impersonating law enforcement officers and terrorizing immigrants and citizens is against the law too.

Maybe they are just undocumented law enforcement officers.

47 posted on 05/01/2006 5:52:02 AM PDT by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: clawrence3

"Impersonating law enforcement officers and terrorizing immigrants and citizens is against the law too."

So is smuggling your illegal butt into the U.S. too. Not to mention stealing money for healthcare, welfare and law enforcement. How many of your "cousins" are here illegally Clawrence3?


48 posted on 05/01/2006 5:52:55 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: LoudRepublicangirl
I'm beginning to believe that "vigilante" is not such a bad word.

Don't know about you, but it's clear to me that the word has been hijacked.
Credibility has been added to the hijacking by reacting to its misuse.

Just as with "racist", "xenophobe", "mean-spirited", and a dozen others liberally sprinkled throughout the rhetoric of the new "communism", the "progressives".

Don't get me started on that empty word, "solidarity"...

49 posted on 05/01/2006 5:54:51 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: Leatherneck_MT
http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/immigration/

Since President Bush took office, agents have apprehended and sent home more than 6 million people entering the country illegally - including more than 400,000 with criminal records - the Administration is also ending the practice of "catch and release." Most illegal immigrants from Mexico can be returned to Mexico within 24 hours. Non-Mexican illegal immigrants present a different challenge. For decades, government detention facilities did not have enough beds for the non-Mexican illegal immigrants caught at the border - so most were released back into society. They were each assigned a court date, but virtually no one showed up. The Administration is ending the practice of "catch and release" by increasing the number of beds in detention facilities by 12 percent this year; the President's FY07 budget proposes increasing that number by another 32 percent.

The Administration is also expanding the use of "expedited removal," which allows us to send non-Mexican illegal immigrants home more quickly. Last year, it took an average of 66 days to process a non-Mexican illegal immigrant. Now, the process is taking only 21 days. This has helped us end "catch and release" for illegal immigrants from Brazil, Guatemala, Honduras, and Nicaragua caught crossing our Southwest border. Since last summer, the total number of non-Mexican illegal immigrants released into society has been cut by more than a third.

So, over 6 years there have been 6 million deportations - I guess I should not have used the plural - but keep in mind that does not count illegals sent to prison pending release and deportation as well. I take it that's not enough for you, but for some reason you refuse to just come right out and say it. So, unless you tell me differently, I will presume you are fine with vigilantes impersonating law enforcement and terrorizing immigrants and citizens - have a nice day.
50 posted on 05/01/2006 5:57:02 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: dljordan

None.


51 posted on 05/01/2006 5:57:54 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: humblegunner

Maybe - still against the law - or is that one law you are O.K. breaking?


52 posted on 05/01/2006 5:59:00 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: SwinneySwitch

Sounds like they are not "terrorizing" citizens.........just illegals. Works for me.


53 posted on 05/01/2006 5:59:38 AM PDT by newcthem (All along I thought I was an American.......now I find that I am just a racist.)
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To: humblegunner
Maybe they are just undocumented law enforcement officers.

That definition is a stroke of genius!

May I continue using it?

54 posted on 05/01/2006 5:59:54 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: Publius6961

It's fine with me - this thread, however, is about said rumors specifically, so I think it is within the realm of discussion whether it would be O.K. for vigilantes to be impersonating law enforcement and terrorizing immigrants and citizens - we have one "yes" vote so far.


55 posted on 05/01/2006 6:01:06 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: Publius6961
May I continue using it?

Use it freely and often!

56 posted on 05/01/2006 6:02:43 AM PDT by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: newcthem

You are fine with "vigilantes terrorizing illegals" as long as somehow they make sure no citizens are terrorized as well? Make that 2 votes then.


57 posted on 05/01/2006 6:03:02 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3

Vigilantes=Minutemen per President Bush.


58 posted on 05/01/2006 6:04:00 AM PDT by Rebelbase ("truth is not invalidated by suppression"--nicmarlo)
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To: clawrence3

Don't try and put words into the mouths and minds of others. These people are guilty of CRIMINAL TRESPASSING (among other crimes) and should be dealt with as such. If you wish to be an apologist for these criminals, there are 'other' forums for you.


59 posted on 05/01/2006 6:04:38 AM PDT by wolfcreek
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To: clawrence3
you are fine with vigilantes impersonating law enforcement and terrorizing immigrants

That would not be fine with me. Then again, it isn't happening in Austin.
60 posted on 05/01/2006 6:05:04 AM PDT by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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