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Defending science education against intelligent design: a call to action
American Society for Clinical Investigation ^ | 01 May 2006 | Alan D. Attie, Elliot Sober, Ronald L. Numbers, etc.

Posted on 05/03/2006 8:23:06 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: PatrickHenry

"If you haven't read the entire article yet, check out the sections titled:

The "teach the controversy" hoax.
The "just a theory" hoax.
The "fair and balanced" hoax.
The "persecuted scientist against the establishment" hoax."

All 4 appear on these threads just about every day. Sometimes in the same post. It's an uphill battle, that's for sure.


21 posted on 05/03/2006 8:54:23 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: VadeRetro

And sometimes you get Mamma Mia who got that way by partaking of too much pasta.


22 posted on 05/03/2006 8:55:17 AM PDT by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Yes, but it's good to see them correctly labeled as hoaxes.


23 posted on 05/03/2006 8:55:55 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Unresponsive to trolls, lunatics, fanatics, retards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: PatrickHenry

Defending? Why the call to battle? What is really "under assault"? Why the fear over children hearing all theories? (Because now and probably forevermore, the origin of life as we know it is all theory)

When (at least since the Enlightenment) has religion seriously threatened or impeded science? In fact, it has provided a great impetus to the urgency of scientific exploration. Believers seek scientific explanations to affirm...disbelievers seek science to disavow the Believers.

So disbelievers, without religion, think of how much interest and funding would dry up..... so many skeptics lost to the fervor of proving what no body knows or can prove via science either way.

Besides, another thing history has shown is that...denying access to all theories (even at penalty of death such as faced by Galileo)) ...has not quashed human curiousity, skepticism, doubt, fear, wonder, and the search and the ultimate individual decision by every seeker as to what he believes.


24 posted on 05/03/2006 9:00:05 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: furball4paws
And sometimes you get Mamma Mia who got that way by partaking of too much pasta.

The FSM will never let you die of anorexia unless you turn away from Him.

25 posted on 05/03/2006 9:03:11 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

We are talking about the FSM, right?


26 posted on 05/03/2006 9:04:16 AM PDT by Junior (Identical fecal matter, alternate diurnal period)
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To: PatrickHenry
For example, political appointees have ordered scientists at NASA to eliminate references to the Big Bang Theory and to cease to mention the eventual death of the sun billions of years from now in their comments and publications.

I am curious exactly why THIS is happening. It seems outside of the ID realm, does it not? Now... I can speculate but I am curious what others think. Are the politicians we appointed trying to slowly tear down science?

27 posted on 05/03/2006 9:06:17 AM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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To: Coyoteman
Wallace took care of satanic operations east of Bali, and Darwin handled Bali and the west.
29 posted on 05/03/2006 9:09:40 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: DaveLoneRanger
All those things that you really don't expect cold, hard, objective science to be doing.

You mean, like fighting back?

LOL!

30 posted on 05/03/2006 9:11:12 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: VadeRetro
The FSM will never let you die of anorexia unless you turn away from Him.


31 posted on 05/03/2006 9:12:35 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Don't call them "undocumented workers." Use the correct term: CRIMINAL INVADERS!)
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To: silverleaf
"Why the call to battle? "

Because education is under attack.

"What is really "under assault"?"

Rational thought.

"Why the fear over children hearing all theories?"

ID isn't a scientific theory.

"(Because now and probably forevermore, the origin of life as we know it is all theory)"

Theory is the highest level that is attained in science.

"When (at least since the Enlightenment) has religion seriously threatened or impeded science?"

When it tried to get itself hustled into science classrooms under the guise of ID/creationism.
32 posted on 05/03/2006 9:12:50 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: furball4paws

My favorite part of these threads are the pictures of dinosaurs and men living together, i.e. Jesus riding a brontosaurus. But hey, my needs are simple.


33 posted on 05/03/2006 9:14:37 AM PDT by LongsforReagan (Whackydoodles believe men and dinosaurs walked together. The world laughs at them.)
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To: trashcanbred
Are the politicians we appointed trying to slowly tear down science?

Of course not!

Well, if it contradicts fundamentalist beliefs, maybe science should be more careful.

In other words:

Geology: All those rocks and old layers. Gone!

Paleontology: All those fossils. Gone!

Biology: The worst of them all. Gone!

Archaeology: Can't find evidence of the global flood. Gone!

Sedimentology: Same. Gone!

Cosmology: That Big Bang stuff. Gone!

Nuclear physics: Supporting radiometric dating. Gone!

Etc.

Etc.

...


[Paging Nehemiah Scudder. Pick up the white courtesy telephone please.]

34 posted on 05/03/2006 9:15:35 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Creationists know Jack Chick about evolution.)
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To: trashcanbred

Politically purging references to the Big Bang would be directed at scienctific revisionism of evidence for the purpose of discrediting Creationism (which depends on a moment of everything coming into existence)...not the other way around, as you suggest. Perhaps the political appointees who redline the term "Big Bang" do not want "science" to seem to be supporting or insensitive or exclusionary toward Buddhism et al.

Now THAT's "pure" science at work in the best interest of our education system. Right?


35 posted on 05/03/2006 9:16:17 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: ROTB
Obviously, you have never tasted how sweet the Lord can be

Do you say such ignorant things on other threads? Civil War threads? Tech threads? DUmmie FUnnies?

This article and the posting thereof says nothing of PH (or anyone else's) relationship (or lack thereof) with God, Jesus or anyone else.

Do you think God has handed you the ability to peer into souls? To divine relationships with Him? The height of your presumptuous arrogance is amazing.

I will pray for your soul today. I suggest you do the same.

36 posted on 05/03/2006 9:18:04 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Don't call them "undocumented workers." Use the correct term: CRIMINAL INVADERS!)
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To: ROTB

Darwinism is a simple shift in emphasis from studying the things of the universe to studying the processes of the universe. That there are processes is obvious.


37 posted on 05/03/2006 9:20:59 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: PatrickHenry
From the article: Jones stated that the Dover school statement forces a "false duality" on students by making them choose between God/ID and atheism/science and "singles out the theory of evolution for special treatment, misrepresents its status in the scientific community, causes students to doubt its validity without scientific justification, presents students with a religious alternative masquerading as a scientific theory, directs them to consult a creationist text as though it were a science resource, and instructs students to forego scientific inquiry in the public school classroom and instead to seek out religious instruction elsewhere."

'Nuff said, really

39 posted on 05/03/2006 9:27:42 AM PDT by ToryHeartland ("The universe shares in God’s own creativity." - Rev. G.V.Coyne)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
This is more ID-related, but observe how "science" needs to be defended.

Because historically people like ID'ers have a tendency to burn, torch and completely attempt to erase from history anything that goes against their beliefs. We don't want history to repeat itself.

They're switching to political mode, issuing tips for how to combat people who don't buy Darwinism. They're launching into campaign mode. Waging a PR war. Cranking up the propaganda.

Oooh that IS a funny statement coming from someone who has been attempting to push religious beliefs into public schools using politica means... isn't that what you and your kind at the Discovery Institute have been doing for years?

All those things that you really don't expect cold, hard, objective science to be doing. Fascinating

That too is a funny statement, because I would not expect "warm, fuzzy, God fearing folks" to be attempting to silence the search for truth.

You propaganda is oooooh so believable...

40 posted on 05/03/2006 9:28:16 AM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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