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Defending science education against intelligent design: a call to action
American Society for Clinical Investigation ^ | 01 May 2006 | Alan D. Attie, Elliot Sober, Ronald L. Numbers, etc.

Posted on 05/03/2006 8:23:06 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: Elsie

At least they didn't say anatomy.


941 posted on 05/08/2006 12:03:29 PM PDT by moog
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

ELIZA has entered the thread...


942 posted on 05/08/2006 6:27:08 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: HairOfTheDog

You are so right...these crevo threads will continue on and on into the future, every bit as much as they have existed in the past...

I am still angry about that eagle thread disappearing last nite...oh well, at least I can still watch the eagles...


943 posted on 05/08/2006 6:29:08 PM PDT by andysandmikesmom
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Bump

Wolf
944 posted on 05/09/2006 12:41:13 AM PDT by RunningWolf (Vet US Army Air Cav 1975)
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To: andysandmikesmom

"Why do you say ELIZA has entered the thread?"


945 posted on 05/09/2006 8:24:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going....)
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To: freedumb2003; PatrickHenry; trashcanbred

*****From freedumb2003*****

>>Obviously, you have never tasted how sweet the Lord can be

>Do you say such ignorant things on other threads? Civil War
>threads? Tech threads? DUmmie FUnnies?

Sir/Madam, it is not ignorant to believe in God. My faith is very rational and logical:

1) Man cannot say what happens thousands of years before it happens. September 11, 2001 was going to be just another day for us sheeple, right?
2) If a being can say what happens thousand of years before it happens, it is most certainly a being far superior to man, and thus worthy of worship.
3) In the Bible, God says what happens thousands of years before it happens. Please see http://www.direct.ca/trinity/y3nf.html
4) God claims to be God, and claims there is none else, and says that there will be heaven for believers who thus have their sins washed away, and hell for everyone else. He also claims that only He will accurately predict the future through His prophets, and that false prophets whose predictions fall through should not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18)
5) I worship God.

>This article and the posting thereof says nothing of PH (or
>anyone else's) relationship (or lack thereof) with God,
>Jesus or anyone else.

I was responding to the writer of the article when I claimed that they had not tasted that the Lord is sweet. Not Patrick Henry personally, or anyone else on this thread. I made a mistake in not making this clear. If I offended you, or PatrickHenry, or anyone else with my mistake, I will apologize to you and him, and ping everyone who posted here. I realize that everyone who posted is not everyone who read your posts and mine, but it is the best I can do, and I apologize for any embarassment on your collective part.

>Do you think God has handed you the ability to peer into
>souls? To divine relationships with Him? The height of your
>presumptuous arrogance is amazing.

He has not handed me the ability to peer into souls, nor has He handed me the ability to divine relationships with him. I have a lot of mistakes, as even the writers of the Bible admit, but you can't accuse me rightly of operating with active malice in my heart.

>I will pray for your soul today. I suggest you do the same.

I will. Thank you for your prayer. I wish I had responded earlier, since it difficult to be seen as good that I'm responding now.

*****From trashcanbred*****

>>Obviously, you have never tasted how sweet the Lord can >>be.

>>Well thanks for telling all of us that ID is religious
>>based. Hope you do not mind if I use your post to point
>>that out to others.

I don't know who started the ID movement, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Behe alludes to it existing before Michael Behe, but neither do I deny that Christians are involved, since I did buy "Darwin's Black Box" at a Christian book store, and since well meaning Christians don't want the anti-Biblical atheistic evolutionary worldview of Darwinism to go unchallgenged, and thus for a generation of people to die and be eternally damned having been misled into not trusting the Bible.

I don't mind your using my post to point out that some in the ID movement are Christians who operate with the goal to give many more people a chance to spend eternity with a loving Father who wants to share with them real life and pleasures forever. But please be sure to also run by them the evidence I present to you Gentlemen/Ladies in the link above. I have not seen a successful attack on this evidence yet.

*****from CarolinaGuitarman*****
>ID is about God? But, but... ID proponents say it isn't;
>they weren't lying to us, were they?

There are Christians in the movement, there's no denying that. If Michael Behe was a believing Christian, and not simply unimpressed with the biochemical evidence for evolution, it would be news to me. Neither have I seen Ann Coulter overtly identify herself as a Christian, but even she claims that the evidence for evolution is weak.

Why should public schools be transmission belts for atheistic Darwinism? Should not schools present the merits and minuses of many worldviews, and *encourage* spirited debate? Why the drive and call to arms to keep any mention of a supreme being out of schools? Should not children be given a chance to think for themselves?

I think the evidence for the God of the Bible existing is extremely compelling, and I *invite* all of you to attack my faith.

No rush. Take your time in refuting the above link, and presenting your most devastating attacks on the validity of Christianity. It is bedrock truth, and I hope all of you put your faith in Jesus Christ and the Father and the Holy Spirit before your last day on this earth God made, so your sins can be washed away with the blood of Jesus Christ, and you can spend eternity in Heaven with God, and avoid damnation.





946 posted on 06/03/2006 7:41:30 PM PDT by ROTB
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To: ROTB
Sir/Madam, it is not ignorant to believe in God. My faith is very rational and logical:

1. My post was to point out to you that you did not KNOW whether the poster was a Christian or not. Your arrogance was clearly showing.

2. Faith is faith. You can quote scrpture until the cows come home but it makes no SCIENTIFIC arguments. Your beliefs are your beliefs. You are not in a position to assess others' much less judge them.

Your long-winded Pitt-like post makes you look like a run of the mill arrogant self-rightous holier-than-thou ignorant CRIDer. That may not be the case, but it is certainly the impression you are leaving.

947 posted on 06/04/2006 2:08:32 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (FRee Charles Hendrickson!!)
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To: gunsofaugust
"Things evolve and that could be because God created them that way."

Absolutely. That's what most people who accept evolution feel.

Many evolutionists, feel there is a natural explanation for the universe without the need for any kind of intelligent force initiating it.

I once met a man who thought that the universe just happened. Maybe he was the same guy you met who thought "the CIA was developing a new drug that would enslave all the *darkies*, as he put it."

948 posted on 06/17/2006 9:11:14 PM PDT by gunsofaugust (How long since you have been to mass?)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
"Things evolve and that could be because God created them that way."

Absolutely. That's what most people who accept evolution feel.

Many evolutionists, feel there is a natural explanation for the universe without the need for any kind of intelligent force initiating it.

I once met a man who thought that the universe just happened. Maybe he was the same guy you met who thought "the CIA was developing a new drug that would enslave all the *darkies*, as he put it."

949 posted on 06/17/2006 9:12:54 PM PDT by gunsofaugust (How long since you have been to mass?)
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To: gunsofaugust
"I once met a man who thought that the universe just happened. Maybe he was the same guy you met who thought "the CIA was developing a new drug that would enslave all the *darkies*, as he put it.""

No, he was a creationist. Said all that evolution stuff was crap.
950 posted on 06/18/2006 3:58:16 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Maybe you also once met an atheist who said all that stuff about some God creating anything was crap.

That is what atheists usually believe and they usually say any talk of God is crap unless they are trying to hide in the weeds.

951 posted on 06/18/2006 5:48:37 AM PDT by gunsofaugust (How long since you have been to mass?)
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To: gunsofaugust
"Maybe you also once met an atheist who said all that stuff about some God creating anything was crap."

I never met one who thought that the CIA was developing a new drug to enslave all the *Darkies*, as he put it.

"That is what atheists usually believe and they usually say any talk of God is crap unless they are trying to hide in the weeds."

Since an atheist will by definition not believe in a God, why would it be strange that they don't accept any creation stories? When you think of it, the difference between an atheist and a theist is usually the fact that the atheist doesn't believe in one more God than the theist. Theists (Christians for example) think that all those creation stories from other religions are all crap.

BTW, why would an atheist hide in the weeds? If one doesn't believe that a God exists, there is nothing to shrink in fear from.
952 posted on 06/18/2006 5:58:11 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Who said atheist have any fear or respect for God?

Atheists hide in the weeds not out of fear of God, but for political reasons.

They also hide in the weeds about their atheism so that they do not have to confront the resulting logical moral ramifications of their atheism.

953 posted on 06/18/2006 7:25:08 AM PDT by gunsofaugust (Libertarians tend to be in agreement with Larry Flynt on legalities and moral issues.)
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To: gunsofaugust

"Who said atheist have any fear or respect for God?"

You implied it.

"Atheists hide in the weeds not out of fear of God, but for political reasons."

Take off the tinfoil, your brain will thank you.

"They also hide in the weeds about their atheism so that they do not have to confront the resulting logical moral ramifications of their atheism."

Please, no more tinfoil.

Now, go bother someone else.


954 posted on 06/18/2006 7:34:20 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
You implied it.

Hmmm, you are seeing boogiemen, then you brought up tinfoil. But I would never argue tinfoil with you, since you might live in a tin foil pyramid. Move out, your brain will thank you.

What was it that bothered you. Atheists do run from their world view, time after time. For political reasons and fear of confronting their lack of moral principles.

Goodbye and keep the faith.

955 posted on 06/18/2006 8:07:17 AM PDT by gunsofaugust (I know a coward when I see one.)
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To: gunsofaugust
"Hmmm, you are seeing boogiemen..."

No, that would be you.

"then you brought up tinfoil."

Because that is what you conspiracy types wear.

"What was it that bothered you."

The blindingly ignorant assumptions you made.

"Atheists do run from their world view, time after time."

Prove it.

"For political reasons and fear of confronting their lack of moral principles."

Speak for yourself. The people with the lowest moral principles I have seen here are those professing their high morals at the top of their lungs. That's why so many creationist/ID'ers have such a terrible time telling the truth.

"Goodbye and keep the faith."

And keep wearing that tinfoil. We're watching you!
956 posted on 06/18/2006 8:51:28 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Conspiracy?

I read your conspiracy theory and now more clearly understand your fascination with tinfoil.

I am not a 'creationist', I am an evolutionist, but I assume a creator, just like the Declaration of Independance talks about. Those old tinfoil wearing founding fathers, how dare they mention the creator.

The blindly ignorant assumptions you made.

Prove it. I'd like to hear about your atheistic morality (or you might have a faith of sorts). It would be a first for atheists if one ever had a concrete moral stance.

Better grab more tinfoil, you never know if there are more boogeymen out there.

957 posted on 06/18/2006 9:17:51 AM PDT by gunsofaugust (I know a coward when I see one.)
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To: gunsofaugust
"I am not a 'creationist', I am an evolutionist, but I assume a creator, just like the Declaration of Independance talks about."

Sure you are.

"Those old tinfoil wearing founding fathers, how dare they mention the creator."

No, you are a conspiracy nut because you think that atheists have this hidden agenda and are hiding their true beliefs for some sort of takeover.

"Prove it."

You prove atheists are running from their worldview, as you claimed. I asked first.

"I'd like to hear about your atheistic morality (or you might have a faith of sorts). It would be a first for atheists if one ever had a concrete moral stance."

It would be a first for a holier than thou type to imagine that there could be rational reason for a moral code.

Now, go bother someone else with your drivel. It took you over month to come back with a crap argument. Take another and try harder this time.
958 posted on 06/18/2006 9:23:59 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Sure you are.

I happen to be proud to be a Catholic from a family of good Catholics going back hundreds of years. We are hardly afraid to admit something as great as that. I know you understand the view we have concerning evolution. We agree with the Pope and Catholic scientists and scholars. But just in case you didn't know it, the Pope accepts evolution. We accept it as the plausable method God chose to use for His incredible creation. We teach that in our schools and there is no conflict with the Church and science, nor will there be. Now, go soak your head in tinfoil again because your own conspiracy theory is bunk.

No, you are a conspiracy nut because you think that atheists have this hidden agenda and are hiding their true beliefs for some sort of takeover.

Oh my, you are full of nonsense. I think atheists play games and I don't think they own up to what they really believe most of the time. They have nothing I have ever heard them say was their standard for morality other than the law of the jungle or majority rules. Please show me how that is some kind of conspiracy theory.

It would be a first for a holier than thou type to imagine that there could be rational reason for a moral code.

Holier than thou, lol, that is funny, and I am listening for the basis for your code as I finish a glass of wine.

This is the type of drivel I used to hear when atheists insisted on attacking Mother Theresa.

It took you over month to come back with a c**p argument. Take another and try harder this time.

It took me seconds to answer you the first time, once I logged back into here and read your guesswork, this time it was even easier. I have a life and responsibilities or maybe I would spend most days on here like you probably do, pushing my personal viewpoints. Your batting average is a solid zero since you are wrong once again, move out of the pyramid.

Goodbye again.

959 posted on 06/19/2006 2:21:07 PM PDT by gunsofaugust (I thought you said goodbye.)
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To: gunsofaugust
Buh Bye! You're not interested or capable of debate.

Now, please, bother someone else with your conspiracy drivel.
960 posted on 06/19/2006 2:48:02 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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