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To: BibChr

As with liberalism in general, opponents of intelligent design wish to muzzle alternative presentation (as seen when conservative speakers are blacklisted or shouted down when they attempt to speak on University Campuses) .

If the man-from-monkey crowd are secure in the correctness of their theories, believing that in honest debate their view will prevail, then why are they attempting to "burn the books" of those with an alternative view?


160 posted on 05/03/2006 11:39:18 AM PDT by Moby Grape
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To: Impeach the Boy

Bingo.


163 posted on 05/03/2006 11:42:14 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Impeach the Boy
"As with liberalism in general, opponents of intelligent design wish to muzzle alternative presentation..."

It's the ID'ers taking the liberal route by crying victim and demanding *diversity* and affirmative action for a theological claim to be pushed into a science class.

"If the man-from-monkey crowd..."

You DO realize that most of the main proponents of ID have accepted common descent, right?

"then why are they attempting to "burn the books" of those with an alternative view?"

They are doing no such thing; they are asking for only science to be taught in a science classroom. ID is theology.
166 posted on 05/03/2006 11:43:59 AM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman ("There is grandeur in this view of life....")
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To: Impeach the Boy

>>If the man-from-monkey crowd are secure in the correctness of their theories, believing that in honest debate their view will prevail, then why are they attempting to "burn the books" of those with an alternative view?<<


You don't see a difference between not wanting to be ordered to teach something they don't believe has a scientific basis versus book burning.


167 posted on 05/03/2006 11:44:41 AM PDT by gondramB (He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
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To: Impeach the Boy
If the man-from-monkey crowd are secure in the correctness of their theories, believing that in honest debate their view will prevail, then why are they attempting to "burn the books" of those with an alternative view?

They don't. Science simply demands the same thing from IDers that it demands from evolutionary theory - if you want your theory taught in schools, you need to do research, submit papers for peer review, subsequently allow those papers to undergo scrutiny by the community at large, then have your major discovery published in one of the more major journals, at which point science textbook writers include your theory in college level textbooks, and eventually, if the theory is appropriate in comprehension level, it enters the secondary school teaching arena.

What IDers and creationists demand instead is special treatment, a.k.a. affirmative action for their theory, when its advocates aren't even really participating in the scientific method to start with.

Sort of like football fans complaining that the referee won't count imaginary touchdowns for one side just because their opponents have stronger players.

176 posted on 05/03/2006 11:52:06 AM PDT by Quark2005 (Confidence follows from consilience.)
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To: Impeach the Boy
As with liberalism in general, opponents of intelligent design wish to muzzle alternative presentation

On the contrary, the CRIDers have been trying, for more than a hundred years, to suppress the ToE. Having failed in that attempt, they are now trying to "drown out" the theory with the white noise of ID, much like a kid who yells "NA-NA-NA" at the top of their lungs when someone else (usually an adult) is trying to speak sense to them.

If the man-from-monkey crowd are secure in the correctness of their theories, believing that in honest debate their view will prevail, then why are they attempting to "burn the books" of those with an alternative view?

Wha a cute little strawman you made! We should put that up on the fridge! Again, though, your strawman bears a striking resemblance to ID. Book burning? Lord knows there are plenty of them around, since evo-bashing is so profitable. But that's never been the way of science. All you have to do is get yourself some evidence and you'll have a chair at the big boys table. Or you can continue learning from the libs and use the "affirmative action" approach. You know, where qualifications are rendered irrelevant in light of diversity?

202 posted on 05/03/2006 12:37:46 PM PDT by LibertarianSchmoe ("...yeah, but, that's different!" - mating call of the North American Ten-Toed Hypocrite)
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