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Study: US mothers deserve $134,121 in salary [mothers should pay money to themselves?????]
Reuters ^ | May 3, 2006 | Ellen Wulfhorst

Posted on 05/03/2006 10:24:35 AM PDT by grundle

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To: XJarhead

In addition to Mother's Day and Father's Day we now have Grandparents' Day, Secretary's Day, the Family Who Lives Accross the Street Day, etc. I really don't want a reward for doing what I am supposed to be doing. Seems to be a prevailing attitude in our country that something beyond the responsibility they signed up to is required to get people to do their job.

On top of it the major networks air these stupid 15 second slice-of-life reminders to read books to your kids, play with your kids, feed your kids, whatever. I certainly don't need some two-bit actress who leaves her own children with a nanny 24/7 reminding me to be a good father. I doubt anyone who is a bad parent is going to change their behavior b/c Kelly Ripa told them to.


101 posted on 05/03/2006 12:42:19 PM PDT by kidao35
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To: grundle

Hmmm I wonder what my after work job is worth?

Auto Mechanic
Plumber
Carpenter
Roofer
PC Repair
Financial Advisor
CEO
CFO
Electrician
Coach
Oh and Grill Master


102 posted on 05/03/2006 12:43:33 PM PDT by Boiler Plate (Mom always said why be difficult, when with just a little more effort you can be impossible.)
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To: grundle

For completeness, from the $134,121 they should subtract room-and-board, clothing, use of the vehicle...


103 posted on 05/03/2006 12:45:19 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: kidao35
No kidding.

Within a family, it is entirely right that we thank and appreciate each other for the efforts we contribute. Any husband who doesn't thank his wife for what she does, and vice-versa, is a putz.

But that is personal, and within a family. For some knuckleheads in a study to quantify that with some ridiculous numbers trivializes everyone involved.

104 posted on 05/03/2006 12:58:42 PM PDT by XJarhead
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To: kidao35
Or to put it another way, can you really reduce everything a mom/wife does for her family to money??
105 posted on 05/03/2006 12:59:39 PM PDT by XJarhead
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To: airborne

I, for one, am putting a tip jar on the counter tonight! :)


106 posted on 05/03/2006 1:09:07 PM PDT by WV Mountain Mama (I would personally like to thank the creator of nontoxic, washable markers. Genius!)
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To: grundle

I'm a single dad, what do i deserve?


107 posted on 05/03/2006 1:10:48 PM PDT by Toby06 (Make illegal immigration illegal!)
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To: JillValentine
Bikini fee more than covers stud fee. ;-)

Need more photographic evidence. :)

108 posted on 05/03/2006 1:12:54 PM PDT by Toby06 (Make illegal immigration illegal!)
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To: grundle

Both of my kids are grown and on their own now, but I was mostly a stay-at-home mom. I didn't go to work until they were in school and I made sure I was home when they got home each day.

When I was a fulltime stay-at-home, I got a paycheck every week....my husband's. He never saw it. I have always taken care of paying the bills which is the way he preferred and I've always bought whatever I wanted whenever I wanted it. That too was fine by him. Always has been. Isn't that the way it works for all married couples? :)


109 posted on 05/03/2006 1:16:40 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby ("This is the sort of English up with which I will not put." Winston Churchill)
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To: Cecily

"Prove it. Let's see some women pull down that salary doing all those tasks for someone. If I could earn that much money for doing the work described, I would change job in a heartbeat."

Well...I know a wealthy man who pays more than this to his personal staff. 2 nannies, a cook, a housekeeper, private secretary, and gardener.
Of course - one person cannot possibly do all these jobs as well as a team of people concentrating on their own given area, and one women may do the job extremely well...while another woman may not.

My guess is it's more likely to be in the 50-60k range if a wealthy person were to hire one person to do the job.


110 posted on 05/03/2006 1:18:58 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Little Ray

Wow! You make breakfast and clean the kitchen. You really are cool. I mean it! I love my husband and he works long hours, but I get annoyed that he comes home and doesn't help as much with basic things like this (yes, he will make dinner once in a while after I have had day when I am ready to hurt someone). Even moms need a break once in a while.


111 posted on 05/03/2006 1:25:56 PM PDT by HungarianGypsy
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To: grundle

My wife says you can't put a value on being able to stay home and watch your children grow up and be a part of so much of their lives. That's something us working stiffs miss a lot of being out of the house and away from the kids for most of the day. She says that, plus having room, board, her financial needs provided to her, and that I plan, shop for, and prepare all of our meals (except lunch when I'm at work) is more than appropriate "pay".


112 posted on 05/03/2006 1:30:52 PM PDT by cschroe
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To: Chena

"I remember when my husband and I purchased life insurance years ago. My husband thought that the only insurance he needed on me was enough to cover funeral costs if I died. Our agent explained to him that if I died, he would have to hire someone to do the work that I did...and that would cost money."

Exactly right. We figured what it would cost to put the kids in daycare for a certain number of years, as well as bringing in a housekeeper once a week.
He also would have to pay for a financial advisor if I weren't around (I do all the bills, taxes...etc. and yes - I have a degree in finance)

The funny thing is - the most valuable part of being a mom isn't being discussed. When kids stay home with their mom they receive the security, unconditional love, and care that only a mother can give. No one can replace that or put a price tag on it because the "payoff" lies in the heart - not in the wallet.


113 posted on 05/03/2006 1:41:21 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: grundle

I think when they calculated this salary they assumed stay at home moms are constantly cooking constantly cleaning etc etc. When in fact they do a little of everything all day.


114 posted on 05/03/2006 1:48:28 PM PDT by RHINO369
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To: HungarianGypsy

Nah. My wife works much too hard. Sometimes I feel like a slacker. Doing some of the cooking, cleaning and doing laundry is the least I can do. Try to think of other things too.


115 posted on 05/03/2006 1:51:56 PM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: grundle

I saw a similar discussion a decade or so ago with the suggestion that the husband be required to pay these rates to his wife as a bona fide empployee and pay the relevant SS and income taxes to the government.


116 posted on 05/03/2006 2:16:48 PM PDT by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Scotswife
Exactly right. We figured what it would cost to put the kids in daycare for a certain number of years, as well as bringing in a housekeeper once a week. He also would have to pay for a financial advisor if I weren't around (I do all the bills, taxes...etc. and yes - I have a degree in finance) The funny thing is - the most valuable part of being a mom isn't being discussed. When kids stay home with their mom they receive the security, unconditional love, and care that only a mother can give. No one can replace that or put a price tag on it because the "payoff" lies in the heart - not in the wallet.

I couldn't agree more. My husband and I have been married for 28 years, raised two beautiful sons, and I was a stay-at-home mom as well. Priceless!

117 posted on 05/03/2006 2:28:53 PM PDT by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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To: TKDietz

Your wife is very lucky, you obviously get it. Your post is what I would guess to be the author's objectives in writing this piece. I have stayed home with 3 young children and it was the hardest job I ever had. It was also the most rewarding.

So many seem to feel the need to point out that fathers do many things too. The article never says they don't. I think it is just trying to give some kudos to moms, who never get to see their value quantified in a paycheck like those who work outside the home.


118 posted on 05/03/2006 2:43:44 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: FormerLib
"It certainly proves that a stay-at-home mom is worth much more to a family than one who would sacrifice the well-being of her family in order to seek "personal fulfillment" by way of a career. "

Amen to that.

But ... ummm ... the liberals that sponsored this study don't want your conclusion, the correct one, displayed across the front page. It sounds too ... traditional ... Republican ... [and Christian, too.]

119 posted on 05/03/2006 3:15:21 PM PDT by tom h
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To: longtermmemmory; grundle; Semper Paratus; RexBeach; Diggler
Memory is right. This is basic socialist crap. This type of study used to be used to justify why stay-at-home mothers (welfare queens) are equally deserving of social security benefits at levels given to company Vice Presidents.

Bill Clinton's secretary for HUD once said this on CNN and I about barfed.

120 posted on 05/03/2006 3:16:47 PM PDT by tom h
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To: Scotswife

Another bonus to staying at home is not having to take a vacation day if I want to take the kiddies to the park/rail trail or pool if I feel like it. I also don't have to waste a vacation day if the kiddos are sick. Honestly, when I worked at a daycare after college, parents would bring the kids in on their death beds so they didn't have to burn a vacation day. Then, they wouldn't return our call to get their child or wouldn't come for hours!! Since my hubby doesn't have to take days off for this type of stuff (he gets 4 weeks a year) and he gets to roll over 2 weeks a year, he has a very nice "vacation egg" saved up!!


121 posted on 05/03/2006 3:17:51 PM PDT by WV Mountain Mama (I would personally like to thank the creator of nontoxic, washable markers. Genius!)
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To: XJarhead

The rat I smell in all of this is possibly to boost child support payments. Maybe it's because I made so very many of them over all the years...


122 posted on 05/03/2006 3:18:16 PM PDT by hunter112 (Total victory at home and in the Middle East!)
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To: tom h

I think it is offensive to lump all stay at home moms in with welfare queens. There are plenty of moms who give up large salaries to stay home and raise their kids. They should be respected, which seems to be the point of the article. I guarantee you that most stay at home moms are not looking for money. They do it out of love and for the rewards which are not financial in any way.


123 posted on 05/03/2006 3:52:04 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: Diggler

Well, you didn't mention opening jar lids!! That'll mean a cut in salary for you!! :)


124 posted on 05/03/2006 4:57:49 PM PDT by jch10
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To: grundle

Figures lie and liars figure.

You really can't put a value on motherhood or fatherhood, but I figure a good housekeeper would come in at maybe $15 an hour and a good nanny maybe a bit more.

So if you figure $15 an hour at 12 hours per day for 365 days a year you come to $67,500. At $18 an hour that's $78,840.

But, 12 hours a day is a lot. After the age of 5 kids are in school for most of the day.

For $67,500 a year I am sure there would be an unlimited supply of labor to take care of your kids 12 hours a day. Yeah you gotta cook, clean and put up with some headaches. You also get to sit around a lot and watch TV, help with some homework and go to the park.


125 posted on 05/03/2006 7:50:23 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: WV Mountain Mama

" Honestly, when I worked at a daycare after college, parents would bring the kids in on their death beds so they didn't have to burn a vacation day. Then, they wouldn't return our call to get their child or wouldn't come for hours!! "

I know this happens alot...my sister has been in this situation alot where she felt she had no choice but to get to work even though her kids were sick.
It's such a terrible thing when the security of the job has to come before taking care of a sick child.

But you know...no matter what a woman does - she is wrong.
At least - according to many women hating freepers. They come out in droves on threads like this.


126 posted on 05/03/2006 8:30:43 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: ga medic

"I think it is offensive to lump all stay at home moms in with welfare queens. There are plenty of moms who give up large salaries to stay home and raise their kids. They should be respected, which seems to be the point of the article. I guarantee you that most stay at home moms are not looking for money. They do it out of love and for the rewards which are not financial in any way."

Thanks for that. If money was all I cared about I would have taken that entry level job offer after I earned my bachelor's degree.
But instead, what I have now is a large gap in my resume, and we are told we aren't "supposed" to let on we've been home raising our kids (as if they can't figure that one out).

Eventually when I do return to the working world, it will be without years of raises, increases in benefits, and contributions to my retirement fund.

My husband and I are a team, we pay taxes, we raise our own kids, and we do not receive welfare of any kind.

There are many embittered freepers who have been burnt and they only see evil women wherever they look.
Well...many women have been burnt by idiot men too.
It doesn't mean there aren't alot of men and women out there who are just trying to do their best to live a good life.


127 posted on 05/03/2006 8:37:19 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Scotswife

If it is working for your family, you are absolutely doing the right thing. Don't worry about your resume, I was out of the work force for 12 years and recently went back. There were a few questions about the "gap", but once I told them I had been busy raising three kids, they just moved on. I don't think any amount of money could make me give up that time with my kids. We are much closer now because of it. It was exhausting, stressful, and the hardest job I have ever had. Looking back, I wouldn't trade it for the world.


128 posted on 05/04/2006 2:38:51 PM PDT by ga medic
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