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To: street_lawyer; All

There is no "government" of Darfur.

Darfur is an area within the nation of Sudan and there is a national government of Sudan.

Your text, in a number of areas, confuses this distinction, and confuses people into thinking there is a goverment of Darfur and separately a government of Sudan.

The major points of difference between contending Sudanese groups in Darfur, is that the Sudanese government has been openly and covertly aiding militant Sudanese groups who are largely, ethnically Arabs and the so-called rebel groups they are fighting against in Darfur are largely black African ethnic groups that include both Christians and Muslims.

A few hundred thousand black African Sudanese in Darfur have been killed by the government supported groups and about 2.5 million are either in a refugee camp, living day-to-day as nomads trying to avoid being killed or taking some sort of refuge in Chad. If that is not a form of genocide, I don't know what is.

China will never allow the UN Security Council to put any kind of "final" pressure on the government of Sudan. They have thousands of engineers in Sudan developing Sudan's oil industry for export to China. Some of that oil is in or near Darfur.

If France had been without so much nuclear power, you can imagine how much harder they would have fought to keep Saddam propped up.


8 posted on 05/03/2006 11:57:41 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli
the so-called rebel groups they are fighting against in Darfur are largely black African ethnic groups that include both Christians and Muslims.

This is incorrect. There are few if any Christians in Darfur. You are confusing this conflict with that in southern Sudan, which has been underway for 20+ years. In southern Sudan, most of the inhabitants are Christians or animists.

20 posted on 05/03/2006 1:43:44 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: Wuli
 

 

Map of Sudan

 

27 posted on 05/03/2006 3:29:06 PM PDT by street_lawyer (Conservative Defender of the Faith)
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To: Wuli
Yes I should have referred to the Darfur region of Sudan 

I still maintain that the government of Sudan is corrupt and is primarily responsible for the bloodshed, not for any racial or genocidal reason, but rather it is brutally killing anyone who opposes the government. 

Before you can convince me that Muslim and Christians fight on the same side Hell will freeze over.

If by genocide you mean political groups ok, but most people think of genocide as the systematic and planned extermination of an entire race. I do not believe we are seeing an extermination of a race in Darfur. 

I believe you're right about China. According to tomorrow's Sudan Tribune online: "Sudan and Iran...supply 20 percent of China’s oil imports". ..."China’s ambassador at the U.N. Wang Guangya has indicated that Beijing would veto any future resolution that imposed sanctions."..."China obtains 6.9 percent of its oil imports from the African country. In the past five years, Beijing has developed several oil fields, built a 930-mile (1,512 kilometer) pipeline, a refinery and a port. By far, Sudan represents China’s largest overseas investment, worth three billion U.S. dollars."

Also: "Some 70,000 have died as a result of Darfur’s conflict - many starving or succumbing to illness, the U.N. says."

31 posted on 05/03/2006 5:15:52 PM PDT by street_lawyer (Conservative Defender of the Faith)
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