Posted on 05/04/2006 6:42:00 PM PDT by motorcity70
As to the last things on my list, they were not only in the streets, but had also taken over Central Park, making that quiet, green haven, in the midst of concrete, unusable for NORMAL people and children. They WERE an invading horde of the brain dead and unwashed; taking over parks ( Central and Washington Square ), my neighborhood, Wall Street, college campuses, and other areas of Manhattan. And for all of those here, who talk about a "revolution" and "blood in the streets", that was a time when it was actually happening...but most probably shan't ever again, in our life time.
No books and no old newspapers, and no old magazine articles will ever be able to convey those times to those who didn't live through them; nor, probably, to those who were somewhat removed from the centers of the turmoil.
I wanted to bump this article as yet another anniversary of the events at Kent State is upon us. The Guardsmen there did their jobs, nothing more, under very difficult conditions. The SDS agitators were responsible for those deaths. I view those Guardsmen as patriots. Hopefully troops will never be sent into that type of operation again without the proper training and equipment for non-lethal crowd control, but then again as the Guardsmen WERE fired upon, their use of force was justified.
God Bless ALL of our troops!
I was an OKARNG member deployed to New Orleans for that event.
While I cannot speak for the entire set of OKARNG units / soldiers that were deployed, let me say this:
My unit DID NOT go "door to door confiscating citizen's firearms"!
What we DID do was to secure any weapons that we encountered during our patrols and searches for survivors or... casualties... that were found unsecured. (There were only a handful). These unsecured weapons were cataloged, including make, model, serial and location / address / circumstances discovered, and sent to higher.
I would not have "confiscated" any weapon in the possession of a law-abiding citizen, and had no orders to do so.
In one instance, a cellular site repair team needed to pass through my checkpoint. They were all civilians, in a three or four vehicle convoy, and all armed. After verifying their identification and business in accordance with my orders, I commented on the fact that they were armed, pointed out that I thought this was a damn good idea, wished them well and sent them on their way.
As I said, I cannot speak for other units, though I did NOT ever hear of any OKARNG soldiers "confiscating" weapons from law-abiding citizens. (There were stories about some LEOs, especially out-of-state ones, doing so. Other stories about some LEOs behaving badly in other ways too, as well as my own personal witness of same, but we won't get into that here.)
And those SOBs have the blood of two million Cambodians on their hands.
bttt
Yeah, same guy.
BUMP!
Nearly another anniversary of Kent State is upon us and once again I want to remember the heroic Guardsmen who did their duty despite being faced with an unfair set of conditions.
This year is particularly notable as tomorrow marks 35 years since the US sold South Vietnam down the river thanks to Teddy Kennedy. At the same time the actions by Kennedy and his Senate cohorts led to a genocide in Cambodia.
The hippie punks that protested at Kent State have a lot of blood on their hands.
God Bless our troops and their families.
God Bless our troops and their families.
Amen
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Judge Bork wrote of this time in America in great detail, in his book 'Slouching Towards Gomorrah' and spoke of how the professors on campuses all over the country, basically 'hid' or even 'joined' the students and refused to get the situation under control.
Thanks again for getting this back up. I learned a great deal regarding the circumstances of this incident.
***for later***
I’m a few days late in bumping this in 2011, but since the MSM seems to continue to lie about what actually happened at Kent State 41 years ago, I’ll continue to bump this as a true account.
The students that were shot were used as pawns by SDS and other radical, subversive organizations. Someone shot at those Guardsmen. The deaths are tragic, but so too was the treatment the Guardsmen received and the way the students in general who were acting lawlessly were lionized.
Our troops are the best!
UBL RIH, 01 May 2011!
I missed bumping this in 2012, but it’s early May and time to remind the world again that the National Guardsmen who protected Kent, Ohio in 1970 were not monsters, the agitators who manipulated some foolish college kids were.
I’m grateful for those who served in Kent in uniform. While the death of the students was tragic, it’s organizations like the SDS and Weather Underground that deserve the blame for that. Not that the true criminals will ever be prosecuted.
I know this thread is old, but I am going to copy all of it to prepare for when the SHTF because the marxists will use the same tactics plus...they are hiding behind women and children just like HAMAS!
After all this blather, let’s get down to the facts.
Stang’s article about the May 4, 1970 shooting of 13 students by Ohio National Guardsmen at Kent State University during an anti-war rally is very inaccurate and misleading.
Stang claims there was a sniper that fired at the Guardsmen, but he is simply wrong. First and foremost, I have been to Kent State University and have seen the bullet hole in the metal sculpture that Stang references. The hole is larger on the student side of the sculpture.
This obviously means that the bullet came from the Guard, hit the sculpture and expanded the hole on the way out. Also, his claims that there was a “riot,” and that the students were “surging” up the hill toward the Guardsmen, was completely disproven by photos that were taken. (That was early inaccurate info; Stang was very dishonest in quoting such bogus misinformation.) The students were scattered and at a great distance—typically hundreds of feet away.
(Interestingly, too, Stang had a photo in which he looked through the hole to a building where he claims the sniper was. He couldn’t even get the name of the building right. He said it was Prentice Hall, when the picture actually shows Dunbar Hall.)
Secondly, most of the Guardsmen, didn’t even fire at all! Of the 76 Guardsmen present, only about 23 fired. And of those 23 most of them fired in the air. That is why only seven were indicted.
Thirdly, NONE of the Guardsmen who fired said they shot at a sniper. They actually fired over a broad area. And one Guardsman, Lawrence Shafer, even admitted he shot at a student who gave him “the finger.” (New York Times, Nov. 7, 1974, p. 51)
Fourthly, during the later 1979 civil trial of the Guardsmen, the engineering firm of Bolt, Berenek and Newman was hired to analyze the recording of the shots. They proved conclusively that all shots came from the Guard, contrary to Stang’s claim that the first shot came from a sniper.
It is a shame that the seven Guardsmen were not convicted of manslaughter at the very least.
For the facts in more detail and not Stang’s nonsense, I highly recommend:
The Truth About Kent State by Peter Davies, and The Kent State Coverup by Joseph Kelner and James Munves
I never ever thought that the National Guard did anything wrong. I thought the students were in the wrong by throwing stuff and destroying stuff and setting fires.
I also thought the students were pretty stupid to throw stuff at people with guns. So they were told the guns weren’t loaded or had blanks. H*ll everyone knows that “unloaded” guns are the ones that accidentally go off and kill you.
Rioting and property destruction is illegal. Throwing bricks at people is assault and that’s illegal too. They needed to be stopped. When the guard is called up in these type situations, then everyone should know and expect that deadly force is possible and get their hind end off the street.
The guard should only be called in when they are going to be allowed to use their weapons - why be armed if you are not going to be able to use them. And they shouldn’t have to endure a bunch of crap before using them.
If the people in charge, don’t want the Guard to kill rioters and looters, then they shouldn’t call them in, but they should tell the residents and business owners not to expect them and not to expect any protection, so they can be ready to defend their homes, businesses, and lives.
Interesting how Kent State has been brought up with regard to the WACO motorcycle shooting. I was watching the pilot episode of “Aquarius” - new TV show about the sixties and Charles Manson with David Duchovney. Conflict between the people, and the blacks and the “pigs” and rights, etc.
I suppose that is an age-old story that will never be resolved good enough for everyone’s satisfaction.
Also interesting is the swing in Conservative thinking regarding the police. Kent state it was “they should have killed all them damn hippies”. Now it is “They ambushed those bikers”.
I’m guessing the truth is somewhere in the middle for both events. And of course I believe that in both cases there were violent instigators, and the majority of folks are just along for the ride.
To Greeneyes:
The Guard didn’t do anything wrong? Of course they did. They recklessly fired on unarmed students who had already dispersed. Two of the students shot were just walking to class.
You are not getting your facts straight, The fire, violence and rioting were on previous days—NOT May 4, 1970.
And the claim that there was a sniper was ludicrous.
Try reading “The Truth About Kent State” by Peter Davies.
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