It's a cliche, and a lie, that the National Guardsmen acted wrongly at Kent State. It's a testiment to their maturity and fortitude that they restrained themselves so well in the face of violence. On this day, the anniversary of their heroism, and also the tragedy that befell those manipulated by the Communist leaning SDS, let the TRUTH be read!
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To: motorcity70
Great post.
Kent State was treated to two appearances by Mark Rudd, the S.D.S. Ieader
Mark Rudd was a Columbia undergrad. When I went to Columbia I spend a lot of time in the archives of the Columbia Daily Spectator going over microfiche of old papers. What I learned, and wrote about, was that Rudd was a coward. He would agitate for protests and the taking over of buildings, but whenever the cops showed up he let his dumb followers get arrested while he always jumped out the back window, ran away, etc.
2 posted on
05/04/2006 6:47:07 PM PDT by
Rodney King
(No, we can't all just get along.)
To: motorcity70
I graduated college in 1970 (note my username). I flew helicopters in Vietnam. Sorry to sound like sKerry. I regret people were killed at Kent State that spring.
After Vietnam, I served ten years in the National Guard with ordinary likeable citizens.
Those deaths did not have to happen. Sinister forces made it so. If the instigators still live, pox on them.
3 posted on
05/04/2006 6:51:26 PM PDT by
elcid1970
To: motorcity70
I know the "straight skinny" on this stuff, too. I went to college, undergrad, from 66 to 70, the SDS was fomenting trouble on nearly every campus in the country. They were always after my ex-husband and I to join, but I didn't want any part of their "agenda". I felt even then, in my perfect "salad" state, that there was something very dangerous in their message. Thank God.
This was at Oklahoma University, too--probably one of the most conservative universities in the country at that time.
4 posted on
05/04/2006 7:01:41 PM PDT by
singfreedom
("Victory at all costs,.......for without victory there is no survival."--Churchill--that's "Winston")
To: motorcity70
God Bless all of our National Guardsmen.
To: motorcity70
Wikipedia has this on the SDS:
"The Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) is a student activist movement in the United States founded in 1959. As part of the New Left movement in the United States, the organization developed rapidly in the mid-1960s, before dissolving for decades in 1969 until its revival in 2003."
Which implies they didn't get involved in Kent State.
Anyone know more?
7 posted on
05/04/2006 7:10:17 PM PDT by
HighWheeler
(The liberal dinosaurs bellow defiantly while sinking deeper into the swamp.......)
To: motorcity70
"Communist leaning? Many of the SDS "leaders", as most of the hippie and Yippie "leaders" were, were RED DIAPER BABIES and card carrying Commies!
8 posted on
05/04/2006 7:12:16 PM PDT by
nopardons
To: motorcity70
9 posted on
05/04/2006 7:14:15 PM PDT by
true_blue_texican
(grateful texan! slightly wasted, tonight)
To: motorcity70
The move was a typically phony Nixon operation, of course, because at the same time his Administration was sending more and more war material to Soviet Russia, which in turn supplied the Vietcong with most of their equipmenta practice which candidate Nixon had denounced in 1968.
17 posted on
05/04/2006 7:22:28 PM PDT by
P-40
(http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
To: motorcity70
20 posted on
05/04/2006 7:25:05 PM PDT by
Boiler Plate
(Mom always said why be difficult, when with just a little more effort you can be impossible.)
To: motorcity70
"The answer is that they were under fire by a sniper."
No doubt the same guy that was on the grassy knoll. B.S. meter is pegged.
22 posted on
05/04/2006 7:25:28 PM PDT by
ndt
To: motorcity70
24 posted on
05/04/2006 7:26:08 PM PDT by
VOA
To: motorcity70
Thanks for this post.
I'm ashamed to say that all I knew about Kent State, I learned from a Neil Young song.
To: motorcity70
Communist anti American liberals shot? I figured out the side I was on before I was a teenager.....
Screw liberals, screw communist, and screw anyone who stands against the USA.
34 posted on
05/04/2006 7:45:47 PM PDT by
Porterville
(I gave at the State Franchise Board; leave me alone you blood sucking liberal.)
To: motorcity70
>>>It's a cliche, and a lie, that the National Guardsmen acted wrongly at Kent State. It's a testiment to their maturity and fortitude that they restrained themselves so well in the face of violence. On this day, the anniversary of their heroism, and also the tragedy that befell those manipulated by the Communist leaning SDS, let the TRUTH be read!<<<
Amen.
To: motorcity70
... and Plain Dealer staff writers Joseph Eszterhas ...
Wonder if this is the same guy who writes in Hollywood now.
44 posted on
05/04/2006 8:22:08 PM PDT by
tang-soo
(Prophecy of the Seventy Weeks - Read Daniel Chapter 9)
To: motorcity70
This is an extremely complicated situation, I will have to read further on the info presented because there is a lot here I have never heard of. I do think the Guard was put into an extremely difficult position of riot control and I don't think they had much training in that area.
But, without having been there and without extensive study, they probably should not have fired into the folks on the campus that they could not see were armed nor were attacking them directly.
Having said the above, my next door neighbor growing up was a Fireman called to Kent State. I remember as a kid him telling me of the bricks thrown at him riding to the campus and that when he was fighting the fire at the ROTC building, having his fire hose cut.
I think there was a organized element to many of the college "riots" and that the students who opposed the war were being used by professionals. But I do think the shootings were a very unfortunate situation and I'm sure the Guardsmen wished they had never happened.
To: motorcity70
This is an excellent article, our then 1-1/2 year old critic notwithstanding.
BIG "TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT KENT STATE" BUMP!
Thank YOU Motorcity, and thank YOU, each and every National Guard member for defending America. :)
49 posted on
05/04/2006 8:57:32 PM PDT by
mkjessup
(The Shah doesn't look so bad now, eh? But nooo, Jimmah said the Ayatollah was a 'godly' man.)
To: motorcity70
Note to commie agitator's fools, never use sticks and stones to threaten men with guns.
To: motorcity70
"They also set a toolshed in the vicinity on fire, producing a considerable blaze. All twenty-four Kent city policemen and sixty-five Portage County sheriff's deputies were ordered to duty, and told that they had to handle a "riot in progress." Michener writes that a curious student asked a stranger what it was all about and was told: "It's a planned movement to strain the National Guard. They're tied up at Columbus and on the truck strike in Akron and Cleveland, and we don't think they have enough men to cover this too." Just before midnight the mob marched to the center of town, threw things at police, and began breaking windows. Among the victimized businesses were the City Bank, First Federal Savings & Loan, City Loan, Home Savings & Loan, the Captain Brady restaurant, Hickman Jewelers, W.W. Reed real estate, Ohio Edison, Revco drugstore, Thompson Drugs, and Getz Hardware. Somebody took a lawn spreader from the hardware store and heaved it through a window of the Portage National Bank. Sheriff's sergeant Tony Messina drew a broken collarbone, and four other police officers were injured. Seven students and seven non-students were arrested. On the next day, Saturday, May second, Kent businessmen were receiving calls warning that if they did not put anti-war posters in their windows they would be burned out. In fact, Roy Thompson, who was Kent Chief of Police at the time, tells your reporter that reliable informants were reporting that the revolutionaries planned to burn the downtown banks, the U.S. Army recruiting station, the post office, and the R.O.T.C. building on campus."
I was in High School in the mid seventies, and our Social Studies teacher left out all the above information when teaching us about the shooting by the National Guard at Kent State. He made it sound as if the students were protesting peacefully. His rendition didn't sound right to me so I questioned him about it. And still he insisted the student protestors were peaceful.
Still suspicious, I went to the Library and researched the incident and read the above.
The next day in class, I asked him why he would have left the above details out, well understanding it was for propaganda purposes. He of course downplayed the reports of the above student "activities."
I told him he just wanted to make the National Guard look wrong and the students look right full well understanding he was attempting to promote the whole sixties revolution.
That was the beginning (that I can recall), and the first of many times, I was to QUESTION and sometimes CORRECT the many Liberal teachers who came after that one.
I had always liked that particular teacher who was also my track coach. That he was so deliberately deceptive was not something I enjoyed learning about his character, but it was an important lesson which taught me to more carefully scrutinize my educators.
Recently, I came upon a copybook with notes in it from that class. Everything Liberal was GOOD, everything Conservative was bad right down to the ideological definitons.
To: motorcity70
"It's a cliche, and a lie, that the National Guardsmen acted wrongly at Kent State. It's a testiment to their maturity and fortitude that they restrained themselves so well in the face of violence. On this day, the anniversary of their heroism, and also the tragedy that befell those manipulated by the Communist leaning SDS, let the TRUTH be read!"Very much agreed and thank you for the post!!
But don't count on the truth from the MSM, it will be spun!
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