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Penetrator bomb slides under radar (Massive Ordnance Penetrator - MOP)
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| 5/6/2006
| Mladen Rudman
Posted on 05/06/2006 11:10:54 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: Ursus arctos horribilis
In the stick world, it would be the BMFS!
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posted on
05/06/2006 1:10:17 PM PDT
by
JRios1968
(In memoriam...)
To: JRios1968
The need to call it the BMFB...and I won't go into the details of the acronym.Buried Munitions Facility Buster?
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posted on
05/06/2006 1:16:00 PM PDT
by
null and void
(Hillary!™ would have been a big astronaut. Say that slowly)
To: null and void
That one would work, too!
43
posted on
05/06/2006 1:18:02 PM PDT
by
JRios1968
(In memoriam...)
To: Dark Skies
Unless the preceding MOP blows the detritus out of the crater - not much. If anything, piles of loose gravel are pretty good at absorbing the impact - they do not propagate cracks.
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posted on
05/06/2006 1:33:20 PM PDT
by
GSlob
To: JRios1968
45
posted on
05/06/2006 1:42:13 PM PDT
by
freedumb2003
(Any guest worker program that does not require application from the home country is Amesty.)
To: Dark Skies
Who needs explosives? Just launch from a high enough altitude.
Rods from God
Rods from God are a space-based kinetic energy weapon that has been discussed since the early 1980s.
The system would consist of tandem satellites, one serving as a communications platform, the other carrying a number of tungsten rods, each up to 20 feet in length and 1 foot in diameter. These rods, which could be dropped on a target with as little as 15 minutes notice, would enter the Earth's atmosphere at a speed of 36,000 feet per second - about as fast as a meteor. Upon impact, the rod would be capable of producing all the effects of an earth-penetrating nuclear weapon, without any of the radioactive fallout. This type of weapon relies on kinetic energy, rather than high-explosives, to generate destructive force.
They would conceivably be particularly well adapted to penetrate hardened targets, such as underground nuclear facilities.
There are major difficulties involved. One of them is where to position the rods. They need to be high enough to deliver enough energy upon impact, but not so high that they vaporize in Earth's atmosphere. The other difficulty is the number of satellites that would be required to cover a material portion of the Earth.
To: Marine_Uncle
I think this ongoing development work has a lot to do with why GWB is trying to keep things cool for a year or two, figuring we have time to take out the Iranian underground facilities with a high degree of success once they perfect the MOP.Possible but with Iranian uranium enrichment currently at about 3.5% which is far less than the ~90% needed for bomb making, might the current noise be nothing more than an attempt to drive oil prices up and hurt the president politically this fall? A Democratic Congress will in all probability nullify the remainder of the presidents term of office and therefore represents the best means whereby mohammedom and other anti-American interests (including MSM who seem suspiciously keen on this saber rattling) can harm the USA.
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posted on
05/06/2006 1:48:01 PM PDT
by
fso301
To: Dark Skies
Roger that on the expanded specs. 2007 is around the corner. If the Airforce is successful at all test stages the Iranian and their dear loving Russian pals are going to have a little problem. As you are well aware all known above and underground facilities could be destroyed within a few hour coordinated strike.
48
posted on
05/06/2006 1:56:55 PM PDT
by
Marine_Uncle
(Honor must be earned)
To: fso301
"Possible but with Iranian uranium enrichment currently at about 3.5% which is far less than the ~90% needed for bomb making, might the current noise be nothing more than an attempt to drive oil prices up and hurt the president politically this fall?"
You could be right. Surely some of the top key mullahs and their president Ahmadinejah plot to do anything that makes them look powerful in the eyes of some of their less educated people and at the same time continue to use their leverage with the Russians to do whatever damage they can do regarding the west's economies. Unless they actually have a fully operational large cascade centrifuge system in operation in some underground facility presently, they are perhaps 3/4 plus years away from having enough U235 to make a low yield nuclear weapon.
And for all we know, they may have nothing, other then the little 164 unit and it is only working in a purely lab type environment, yielding only a few grams of 90% U235.
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posted on
05/06/2006 2:25:23 PM PDT
by
Marine_Uncle
(Honor must be earned)
To: Marine_Uncle
Hey, Iran
Say "Hello" to our new little friend!
50
posted on
05/06/2006 2:25:44 PM PDT
by
JRios1968
(In memoriam...)
To: JRios1968
We ought to make arrangements with the Sicilians to rub out the 50 Mullahs and their madman president and do the Iranian people and us a favor in one shot.
51
posted on
05/06/2006 2:46:53 PM PDT
by
Marine_Uncle
(Honor must be earned)
To: Dark Skies
The smallest nuke is 100 times as powerful as this bomb. Too bad nukes are radioactive, both literally and politically.
To: Marine_Uncle
Or, tell a few good ole boys from West Virginia that it's open season on Mullahs and there's no bag limit!
53
posted on
05/06/2006 4:13:01 PM PDT
by
JRios1968
(In memoriam...)
To: operation clinton cleanup
A tungsten rod of dimensions you described weigh about 19100 lbs each. It would cost prohibitive to place such material in high orbit or to keep such material in place at low orbit.
That is precisely why such a plan is only on the drawing table and on somebodys wish list.
To: JRios1968
"Or, tell a few good ole boys from West Virginia that it's open season on Mullahs and there's no bag limit!"
Go for it!
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posted on
05/06/2006 4:36:51 PM PDT
by
Marine_Uncle
(Honor must be earned)
To: Marine_Uncle
You could be right. Surely some of the top key mullahs and their president Ahmadinejah plot to do anything that makes them look powerful in the eyes of some of their less educated people and at the same time continue to use their leverage with the Russians to do whatever damage they can do regarding the west's economies. Unless they actually have a fully operational large cascade centrifuge system in operation in some underground facility presently, they are perhaps 3/4 plus years away from having enough U235 to make a low yield nuclear weapon. And for all we know, they may have nothing, other then the little 164 unit and it is only working in a purely lab type environment, yielding only a few grams of 90% U235.The best way for Iran to protect its nuclear weapons program is for the Democrats to take control of Congress this fall. With the US economy strong, gas prices are what's primarily working against Bush/Republican job approval ratings. A Congress controlled by the Democrats effectively ends the Bush presidency. As such, the best way for Iran to protect it's nuclear weapons program is to ratchet up the rhetoric while her powerful friends aka China and Russia stall US efforts in the UN. The iranian rhetoric drives up oil prices and with higher oil prices come lower Bush/Republican approval numbers going into the November elections.
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posted on
05/06/2006 7:36:51 PM PDT
by
fso301
To: fso301
That is the main game plan they conceive. They know how to time things just right. It really is not complicated at that level. Of course as their economy grows worse, and perhaps partial sanctions are agreed upon by the willing, dispite the Russian and Chinese position, the people of Iran shall realize their hopes of improved social economical progress are quickly ebbing away. As the Mullahs tigthen their shara law on the people and reduced them further to mere existence only to live for the moon rock, the people are going to become more receptive to those underlining currents that whisper about regime change.
Once the NY and London traders get enough money out of the artificial price fixing, oil prices start to drop, fall comes on and gas in the US and elsewhere in the northern hemisphere start to drop, the Mullahs will no longer have their bargaining chips lined up quite as well. Things can change.
For all we know, GWB may instruct Condi to tell the Russkies and Chicoms the US just might go ahead and bomb the shit out of the Iranian installations to make a point. And once the Iraqi government settles down, the army go after any in country Persian operatives, Iranian arabs under contract with the mullahs, Badr Brigade, Mahdi army and other factions are put down. Iran no longer has a strong position. They could find themselves out on the limb with no branch to jump to.
Of course things could get worse. Chavez though he only rants, could if special deals where set up with the Chicoms just sell all his oil to them. Nigeria could get worse. The price of crude could stay at a all time high, and lend itself to further increases based on a new set of fears plus the Iranian issue being a fix constant in the new equation.
So I hate to predict anything in these volitile geopolitical environments. So many scenarios can be painted. But what you say is fine with me. It is right on track.
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posted on
05/06/2006 8:10:08 PM PDT
by
Marine_Uncle
(Honor must be earned)
To: JRios1968
I'm sure you will. And so will I.
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posted on
05/07/2006 11:41:04 AM PDT
by
DoughtyOne
(The United 'Door Mats' of America! Go ahead, scrape your feet on it. Everyone else is.)
To: DoughtyOne
Great Minds Do Think Alike!
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posted on
05/07/2006 1:49:41 PM PDT
by
JRios1968
(In memoriam...)
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