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An Army of one wrong recruit
The Oregonian ^ | 5/7/06 | MICHELLE ROBERTS

Posted on 05/07/2006 11:08:55 AM PDT by T-Bird45

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To: T-Bird45

As a former Army brat and Marine wife, and the mother of an autistic son, this makes me sick. I am a supporter of the military, but some of the recruiting practices are disgusting.


21 posted on 05/07/2006 11:56:41 AM PDT by conservative cat
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To: ansel12
...the Army's most dangerous job: cavalry scout.

What an idiotic statement. Thank you, Ms. Reporterette, for showing us, yet again, that the press knows ZERO about the military.

22 posted on 05/07/2006 11:58:31 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this plan just might work.)
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To: Javelina
"New regs make it hard to get in if you have any visible tattoos. You can get waivers, though."

Yup, the military now requires stealth tattoos.

This thread is killing me.

My best friend's son joined the AF a while back, and that kid had some very prominent tattoos. No questions raised at all concerning the stupid stuff all over his neck and arms. I know that I would not have signed him up, but the AF had no problem. It might have been his exceptionally high intellect. I can't say.

23 posted on 05/07/2006 12:01:03 PM PDT by Radix (Stop domestic violence. Beat abroad.)
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To: TankerKC
How in the world do you get and remember the ASVAB answers?

As I recall, it was in written form. This was 26 years ago so my memory of the specifics is fuzzy but I do know that a fraudulent enlistment report was submitted through the chain of command. That report, combined with the soldier's poor performance, resulted in an early discharge.

24 posted on 05/07/2006 12:03:34 PM PDT by T-Bird45
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To: T-Bird45

Sounds to me like this boy would just be cannon fodder. We don't want that kind of military, or to ever have to fight that kind of war again.


25 posted on 05/07/2006 12:08:38 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: T-Bird45

True story.

When I was in basic training (11/61 - 1/62) we had a guy in our platoon from Maine and I mean, way up in Maine. North of the Caribous.

He had one of those polio arms (left arm) that never grew properly and was only half the length and size of his right arm, a stub really.

When the doctors at Ft. Dix did their medical examination on entry they were stunned he was accepted into the Army.

Needless to say, he was medically discharged and sent home to Maine.

The sad thing about this story is the guy really, really wanted to serve and the day before he left for his home he was speculating that he could remove the brass buttons from his Class A's, replace them with black buttons and he would have a wonderful suit to attend Sunday church.

So help me God.


26 posted on 05/07/2006 12:09:22 PM PDT by Beckwith (The liberal media has picked sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: El Gato; Wristpin

They recently changed the tattoo rule so that as long as you couldn't see the tattoos when in uniform they were OK. Besides, once you are in the military I don't think they will kick you out for getting a tattoo.

I'm not a fan of tattoos but so many kids these days are getting them. I don't know why it's so popular, but they had to change the rules because a huge percentage of teens are getting them.


28 posted on 05/07/2006 12:12:02 PM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: conservative cat

When I hit the "Yellow Footprints" at MCRD San Diego (forty years ago), I was in a group of probably 80...over the first few days, it was obvious that there were a half dozen (and none of these ended up with us for more than a handful of days) that NO Marine Corps recruiter should have let get that far; but these few did - and I'm sure it happened in every training platoon.


29 posted on 05/07/2006 12:16:17 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (Meep Meep)
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To: Radix
"In Houston, a recruiter warned a potential enlistee that if he backed out of a meeting he would be arrested."

Recruiter BS pressure tactic against an impressionable contact. Believable, IMO.

"...the Army's most dangerous job: cavalry scout."

Depends on your perspective but this is mostly an uninformed reporter swallowing somebody else's BS. Doesn't distract from the main point of the article on fraudulent recruitment, IMO.

"Matthew told his mother that military recruiting at the school and surrounding neighborhoods was so intense that one recruiter had pulled him out of football practice."

Not unlikely based on my experience as a parent of children that were recruited at the end of high school and during their early college years.

As to buying the garbage, I am not sure what you believe is "garbage" but the overall article was well-supported with facts and quotes from knowledgable and named sources. As with anything, I don't accept it simply because "it was in the paper" -- critical thinking is still required to decide how much credence to give to any third-person report. On balance, I would give this article a B+ to A- for authenticity with some mark-off for injected bias concerning an "unpopular war".

30 posted on 05/07/2006 12:24:45 PM PDT by T-Bird45
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To: Javelina
Wow,

I'm not trying to diss you or the original poster at all.

I think that the so called journalist who originally posted this crap is the real retard. It seems to me to be an example of the shameful ignorance of the military which is rather standard these days by media types.

I am quite aware that military recruiters are under a lot of pressure. I recall getting visits at my home, and calls on a regular basis by those guys even after my son was already enrolled in an ROTC program and was on his way to being commissioned.

Anyhow, if I read correctly, you are enlisting, or have already, or have at least considered doing such.

Whatever the result, thank you.

Oh, and free advice here, skip the tattoo thing. Not that you are considering getting some, I just like to do my little spiel. I have never ever met a person who years later was glad that they made a decision to have one.
31 posted on 05/07/2006 12:28:15 PM PDT by Radix (Stop domestic violence. Beat abroad.)
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To: T-Bird45

You just want me to read the entire article.

Be seeing you.


32 posted on 05/07/2006 12:31:03 PM PDT by Radix (Stop domestic violence. Beat abroad.)
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To: Radix

Always a pleasure to pass a Sunday afternoon in good exchanges with fellow FReepers. Good day!!


33 posted on 05/07/2006 12:35:02 PM PDT by T-Bird45
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To: monkeyshine
I'm not a fan of tattoos but so many kids these days are getting them. I don't know why it's so popular,

Because they want to be different...

34 posted on 05/07/2006 12:35:24 PM PDT by steveo (Fathers Against Rude Television: You may already be a member)
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To: Radix

Got any proof the statments (other than the opinion about the cavalry scout) are not true?


35 posted on 05/07/2006 12:35:46 PM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: zeaal
Is is always bad advice to lie on a form like that. Especially if you are seeking a security clearance. The investigators will find out that you lied and you'll never get cleared.
36 posted on 05/07/2006 12:40:02 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: TankerKC

I agree.If the recruit is 'to dumb' to start with,how the heck is he going to memorize multiple answers?Some of the best soldiers I have ever served with, were the ones who had been given a second chance in life at a young age.Remember the days a judge gave you an option?Go into the military,or go to jail!Many stayed and did their 20.


37 posted on 05/07/2006 12:41:53 PM PDT by xarmydog
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To: T-Bird45

"...the Army's most dangerous job: cavalry scout."


Nice Try, maybe Explosive Ordance Disposal (EOD).


"Matthew told his mother that military recruiting at the school and surrounding neighborhoods was so intense that one recruiter had pulled him out of football practice."

Diagnosed with autism at age 3, and he plays football?


38 posted on 05/07/2006 12:46:22 PM PDT by Garvin (Oxymoron? Slick Willy signed my Honorable Discharge)
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To: joesnuffy
OK, you got me curious now. So tell me what's so dangerous about being a "spoon" in a rigger outfit?
39 posted on 05/07/2006 12:47:03 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Beckwith
He had one of those polio arms (left arm) that never grew properly and was only half the length and size of his right arm, a stub really.

Probably not polio. More likely his mom took Thalidomide during pregnancy. That happened to one of my classmates in high school. His left forearm and hand never developed past the fetal stage. His right arm was fine. Aside from the left arm, he was a perfectly bright and capable person.

40 posted on 05/07/2006 12:48:35 PM PDT by Myrddin
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