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The Young Pay the Price for Dutch Drug Experiment
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| May 7, 2006
| Don Laigle
Posted on 05/07/2006 7:17:42 PM PDT by found_one
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This article debunks the mytht that legalization means less.
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posted on
05/07/2006 7:17:46 PM PDT
by
found_one
To: found_one
Really. I know everybody likes to point to Holland and scream, "See! Some of them still take drugs!", and throw that up there as a "failure", but it ain't so. They have less drug use, and even better, much less Drug War.
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posted on
05/07/2006 7:23:02 PM PDT
by
Wolfie
To: found_one
Anyone who thinks cocaine is a soft drug is an idiot.
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posted on
05/07/2006 7:26:57 PM PDT
by
Brilliant
To: found_one
This article debunks the mytht that legalization means less.Looks more like anecdotes that contradict statistics.
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posted on
05/07/2006 7:27:06 PM PDT
by
cryptical
(Wretched excess is just barely enough.)
To: found_one
This article is strangely devoid of comparative facts but long on anecdote.
The Netherlands has legalized drugs for some time now, it would be interesting to read a real study.
Comment #6 Removed by Moderator
To: found_one
This article debunks the mytht that legalization means less."Debunk" means to expose and disprove. If the material in this article stands as acceptable proof, you're operating based on disturbingly low standards of proof.
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posted on
05/07/2006 7:31:23 PM PDT
by
tacticalogic
("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
To: found_one
Is the implication here that if we legalize drugs in the United States, drug usage in the U.S. will go down by 40%? I have a hard time with that one. There must be some other factor at work. Also, they said Holland has 60 percent the drug use as that of the United States" Is that per capita, or are they saying that a country with 10% of our population uses 60% of our drugs? (Just a thought). Either way, there has to some other factor at work. I just don't believe that legalization in the U.S. will cause our drug use to go down. I just can't buy that argument.
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posted on
05/07/2006 7:39:12 PM PDT
by
NurdlyPeon
(Wearing My 'Jammies Proudly)
To: found_one
Drugs are already readily available regardless of the law.
That's the point.
The drug lords are drug lords because drugs are illegal. Take the money out of drugs and you would wipe out a huge segment of organized (and otherwise) crime.
Al Capone (And Joe Kennedy) became very wealthy - and produced major crime of all sorts because of prohibition. It was a failure. It was a failure for all the same reasons as the WOD.
There are plenty of conservatives that see the collateral damage caused by the WOD as being far worse than the original problem being addressed.
A better solution is to teach our children not to use drugs and the reasons why. It starts at home. The government makes a lousy mom and/or dad.
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posted on
05/07/2006 7:40:49 PM PDT
by
DB
(©)
To: don'tbedenied
The Netherlands has legalized drugs for some time now, it would be interesting to read a real study. Study? If the views of the article author were correct, there would be nothing left but scattered ruins prowled by hideous mutants where Holland used to be.
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posted on
05/07/2006 7:43:24 PM PDT
by
steve-b
(A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
To: Jorj X. McKie
I guess folks like you will say that since no one's going to jail, everything's hunky-dory. No worse off than with people going to jail.
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posted on
05/07/2006 7:44:46 PM PDT
by
Wolfie
To: NurdlyPeon
There are people who do drugs just to rebel - because it illegal. That it is cool to break the law.
But the bottom line is different that.
Lets say drug use didn't change at all.
We spend billions on top of billions, break down peoples doors and imprison them all for what? And some times the wrong peoples doors...
Zippo change in drug use with billions spent to stop is a really poor use of resources.
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posted on
05/07/2006 7:44:46 PM PDT
by
DB
(©)
To: found_one
This article debunks nothing. The fact is that it is prevailing culture, not law, that encourages or discourages drug use. I think the drug laws should be repealed because it is silly, in a free society, to make laws telling individuals what they can and cannot ingest. The laws are virtually unenforceable unless we turn this country into a police state, which is exactly what the drug laws are quickly progressing toward - no knock raids, asset forfeitures, draconian penalties for casual use, and the ridiculous notion that a simple, wild-growing plant could be illegal. Meanwhile, tobacco and alcohol are legal.
We should embark on a PR campaign to make it societally unacceptable to use drugs, in the same way the "don't drink and drive" campaign was done, and then legalize all drugs, but with a high level of regulation like that of tobacco or alcohol.
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posted on
05/07/2006 7:57:56 PM PDT
by
fr_freak
To: don'tbedenied
The Netherlands has legalized drugs for some time now, it would be interesting to read a real study. Yes - of how many are being led around by the nose....
I guess that's called a bad pun.
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posted on
05/07/2006 8:05:47 PM PDT
by
lakey
To: fr_freak
Alcohol and tobacco use are severly restricted.
Restricted by age (18/21).
Restricted by vendor (authorized importer/distrubtor/distiller/vendor only, no unliscensed resale).
Restricted by hours of sale (alcohol is only available 24 hours in 3 North American cities that I know of and one of those is in Canada).
You cannot have a 0.08 Blood Alcohol Content level and drive a car (even if impairment occurs at higher levels).
TABC (Texas Alcohol Beverage Commission) did a series of sweeps of bars (including hotel bars serving patrons of the hotel) arresting thousands of people for "public intoxication" in a six month period if they had ordered more than a couple of beers. And there is no requirement for a breatalizer test for a charge of "public intoxication".
The ATF (Alcohol - Tobacco - Firearms) do things differently than the DEA.
ZI'm sure there are more restrictions that can be cited.
And DRY counties still exist.
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posted on
05/07/2006 8:10:02 PM PDT
by
weegee
("Season's Greetings and Happy Holidays")
To: found_one
From the article:
"Todays Europe is proof enough that trusting in human nature simply doesnt work. " Seems to me that what today's Europe proves is that relying on the government to solve social problems simply doesn't work. The War on Alcohol was fought almost a century ago in the US and showed clearly the gangsterism which results from outlawing a substance that people want.
Unfortunately, the present War on Some Drugs is being fought without the benefit of a Constitutional Amendment to permit it. As a result, there is no amendment to repeal in order to stop the madness.
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posted on
05/07/2006 8:11:26 PM PDT
by
William Tell
(RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
To: found_one
This article debunks the mytht that legalization means less
ROTFLMAO!!!
This article is from De Volkskrant!
They publish stories about movie stars and space aliens meeting with president Bush!!!
You don't see this nonsense in real Netherlands newspapers like Drentse Courant, Friesch Dagblad, Haarlem's Dagblad, or Amersfoortse Cou-rant.
If this is the best you drug warriors can dredge up you should just go back to the old
American sensationalism like...
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posted on
05/07/2006 8:14:09 PM PDT
by
mugs99
(Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
To: Jorj X. McKie
My reading of Islam is that the strict laws are for some, not for all. The Communists were or are strict in the same way.
The harsher the penalties, the more people find a way around them.
My answer for the drug problem is - stop taking illegal drugs. They fund the global criminals and crap up the mind. My mind has enough kinks in it without adding toxic waste to the mix.
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posted on
05/07/2006 8:15:19 PM PDT
by
sine_nomine
(No more RINO presidents. We need another Reagan.)
To: DB
On the other hand, millions of adults smoke tobacco, and they are not doing it to rebel. Millions of adults drink alcohol, and they are not doing it to rebel. So if marijuana is available at every corner drug store, the total usage will go down or stay the same? Sorry, still not buying that. I believe that the most likely outcome of legalization is that the big two (alcohol and tobacco) will very quickly become the big three (marijuana), or the big four (pot and coke). I have met many many people over the years who don't smoke pot simply because it is illegal. Holland aside, how come nobody ever mentions the idea that drug use might (would probably) go up in the U.S., and that the costs to society would exceed the savings from the drug war. I have smoked pot all my life, and I have never, at any time, advocated legalizing it. I think it should be way decriminalized, but legal? No. I just can't see how the wholesale introduction of another drug into society can have any positive net result.
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posted on
05/07/2006 8:15:35 PM PDT
by
NurdlyPeon
(Wearing My 'Jammies Proudly)
To: NurdlyPeon
"...wholesale introduction of another drug into society can have any positive net result."
That introduction took place long ago.
It is readily available in spite of your best efforts.
That is simply a fact.
I choose not to use them. I'd like not to be robbed, car jacked, shot, raided or otherwise be harmed so someone else can get a fix.
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posted on
05/07/2006 8:27:32 PM PDT
by
DB
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