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Thousands Protest Brussels MP3 Murder. BBC Omits Facts
Brussels Journal, Belgiam ^ | Wed, 2006-04-19

Posted on 05/07/2006 9:50:28 PM PDT by Murtyo

Today, some 80,000 people participated in a silent march in Brussels to commemorate 17 year old Joe Van Holsbeeck, who was knifed on 12 April because he refused to hand over his MP3 player to two North African youths. The murder happened during the evening rush hour in a crowded Brussels central station. The murderers were filmed by security cameras, but it took a full week before the authorities released the footage. The assassins are still at large.

This BBC report about the march, which was the largest protest in the country since 1996 when 300,000 marched through Brussels in anger over the murdering of children, does not mention the ethnicity of the assassins, though many Belgians are worried about the extremely violent mentality of North African youth gangs. [update 24 April, 7:30am GMT: the BBC has added a few final paragraphs mentioning "racial tension"] In fact, the initiative for the march came from Fouad Ahidar, a Moroccan-born Flemish member of the Brussels regional parliament, who said last week that many immigrants are equally worried about violent Moroccan youth gangs.

Ahidar, a father of five, already called for a protest march on 15 April, saying that if the victims had been immigrants and not Belgians, “or even if an immigrant just gets a few kicks from police officers, half of Brussels would be on the streets in solidarity with the victim.” According to the Moroccan-born MP, anti-Belgian racism is rife among Muslim street gangs. “This murder stinks of racism,” he said. “There is a growing group of criminal Moroccan and Turkish youths who go after victims who look like infidels. We have to fight racism in all its varieties, whether by the immigrants or the native community.” What Ahidar says is common knowledge but only he may say so. If a native Belgian makes such comments he or she risks being taken to court for racism by the authorities’ racism watchdog CEOOR, an instrument used by the government parties to silence political opponents.

In response to Ahidar's appeal many immigrant organisations had called on their members to participate in the protest. Because the BBC report does not mention the ethnicity of the murderers it also has to omit the presence of immigrants in the protest. “There are many Muslims here,” imam Nordine Taouil told Flemish radio and television today. He stressed that many imams had called upon the faithful to be present. “We are here to show that we oppose violence.”


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: belgium; brussels; dhimmitude; eurotrash; jihadinbelgium; joevanholsbeeck; mediabias; religionofpeace; vanholsbeeck
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1 posted on 05/07/2006 9:50:32 PM PDT by Murtyo
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To: Murtyo

Gee, I wonder if the killers are practicioners of the Religion of Peace? No, couldn't be! </sarc off>


2 posted on 05/07/2006 9:51:53 PM PDT by JRios1968 (In memoriam...)
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To: Murtyo

http://nordish.net/blog/?p=77


3 posted on 05/07/2006 9:56:30 PM PDT by Murtyo
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To: Murtyo

I don't think it's racism. It's a religious war--especially from the perspective of the other side. Hyper-senstivity to race is an ailment of Western (and Far Eastern) societies. In many non-Western societies, and especially in Africa, the divisions are based more on religion and/or language, and not so much on race.


4 posted on 05/07/2006 10:09:57 PM PDT by sourcery (Either the Constitution trumps stare decisis, or else the Constitution is a dead letter.)
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To: JRios1968
Gee, I wonder if the killers are practicioners of the Religion of Peace? No, couldn't be!

Booyah! Keyword add'd.

5 posted on 05/07/2006 10:13:08 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: Murtyo; JRios1968
You are a bit late with this story. In further developments the suspected perpetrators have been apprehended and found to be Polish gypsies - one of them had been residing in Belgium illegally (surprise, surprise!).

The follow up to the story can be found here:

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1014

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1015

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1017

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1020

and here:

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1029

No, not ROP this time. Doesn't make the crime less heinous, but the discussion in Belgium regarding immigration has probably been set back years because people jumped to conclusions.
6 posted on 05/07/2006 10:25:37 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Murtyo
“There are many Muslims here,” imam Nordine Taouil told Flemish radio and television today. He stressed that many imams had called upon the faithful to be present. “We are here to show that we oppose violence.”

Just not enough, apparently, to call for immediate and unequivocal punishment of the killers...

7 posted on 05/07/2006 10:28:32 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: Gordongekko909; sourcery

Please check my message #6. It was not ROP this time. It is important to keep the discussion factual.


8 posted on 05/07/2006 10:28:46 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Publius6961

See post above. This case has caused untold grief to those who want to be able to discuss the flood of Middle Eastern/North African immigrants in Belgium - partly because the police and Justice Dept jumped to conclusions, but who will remember that one week hence?

Follow the story in the links I provided - very illuminating.


9 posted on 05/07/2006 10:31:50 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: ScaniaBoy

In that case... never mind.


10 posted on 05/07/2006 10:37:36 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: sourcery

They ought to do like Singapore and send in the Gurkhas!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurkha_Contingent


11 posted on 05/07/2006 10:37:51 PM PDT by Constantine XIII
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To: ScaniaBoy
It was not ROP this time.

Ok, not this time. The fact that it was generally assumed that Asio-African immigrants were at fault says there's a fire behind all the smoke. Even the language you used ("not this time") shows that the issue is a sore point.

More importantly, my comments were more about the wrong framing of the issue of Asio-African immigration into Europe as being centrally about race. That's NOT how the immigrants themselves frame the issue. To them, the central issue is cultural, not racial.

12 posted on 05/07/2006 10:54:27 PM PDT by sourcery (Political & economic freedom: More important than gays burning flags at their weddings)
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To: ScaniaBoy

Gypsies are absolute trash.

They would crowd our vehicles in Macedonia, and throw rocks /give the finger at us if we didn't give them money or MREs.


13 posted on 05/07/2006 10:56:12 PM PDT by Emmet Fitzhume (Oh senseless death and destruction, thy name is Islam!)
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To: ScaniaBoy
Thanks, for the update. :^/
..maybe the Belgians, should vote out the fools in power and take up personal arms (FN?) and / or Martial Arts.
14 posted on 05/07/2006 10:58:24 PM PDT by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you....... :^)
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To: sourcery
Ok, not this time. The fact that it was generally assumed that Asio-African immigrants were at fault says there's a fire behind all the smoke. Even the language you used ("not this time") shows that the issue is a sore point.

There certainly is a fire behind all that smoke. Why do you think even the police (very PC in Belgium) jumped to the wrong conclusion? But if you read the links I provided you'll see that the PC forces in Belgium will now try to use this case to stifle all discussion about illegal immigration and the (non-) assimilation of Muslim immigrants to Belgium - and Belgium is a micro-Europe, what is happening there, will happen or is already happening in the rest of Europe.

15 posted on 05/07/2006 11:04:24 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: skinkinthegrass
I agree, but it does not seem to be that easy. In the northern Flemish (non-French) part of the country, the largest party is the anti-EU, anti-immigration, and secessionist party Vlams Belang. The fools in power have tried to outlaw this party several times, and once already Vlams Belang was forced to change name.

My own opinion is that Belgium is only just a democratic country (if that). I am not alone in thinking so:

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=9240

16 posted on 05/07/2006 11:12:11 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: sourcery
I don't think it's racism. It's a religious war

Exactly. Infidel isn't a race.

17 posted on 05/07/2006 11:21:03 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: Murtyo
We have to fight racism in all its varieties, whether by the immigrants or the native community.” What Ahidar says is common knowledge but only he may say so. If a native Belgian makes such comments he or she risks being taken to court for racism by the authorities’ racism watchdog CEOOR, an instrument used by the government parties to silence political opponents.

Why do I have the feeling that this will show up in a Mark Steyn article?

18 posted on 05/07/2006 11:22:19 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: sourcery

Hyper-Guilt about race is sure a western ailment...a crippling one.

I have seen hypersensitivity about race in African and Afro-Caribbean socities.

It's a fixture for sure in Southern Africa and Haiti and the Dom Rep....Jamiaca less so.

shades of color it is....mulattos versus pure African....Haiti has battled that for two centuries now


19 posted on 05/07/2006 11:26:26 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am buying Shelby Steele's new book: White Guilt)
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To: Murtyo

The war on white Christians goes on...


20 posted on 05/08/2006 12:43:20 AM PDT by Bon mots
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