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Mary Cheney Considered Quitting 2004 Campaign Over Gay Marriage Issue
ABC News ^ | May 3, 2006

Posted on 05/08/2006 4:06:47 PM PDT by skandalon

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To: DBeers
You're saying they CHOOSE to live miserable lives?

And some people choose to make others miserable, and some people choose to focus on others' misery and some people like to sit in judgment of others' choices - as if they are God's little helper.

101 posted on 05/08/2006 6:27:16 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: John Geyer

No, they don't all act the same; just the activists you see on your TV screen. A lot of homosexuals don't even want marriage; they just want to be left alone to live their lives.


102 posted on 05/08/2006 6:29:55 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert (Texas Cowboy...graduated to Glory)
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To: Sunsong

"Is this your idea of moral equivalence? Homosexuality is morally equivalent to killing someone or being a dictator?"

No, it's my idea of moral inequivalence.

Please see my post 29. There is not equivocation intended in my post whatsoever outside of the common theme of a parent feeling shame over the actions of a child.

If anything, my post is a question of degree. But even if it were an equivocation, how would saying that a parent's love trumping a child's actions (be it murder or homosexuality) make my post even worth commenting on?

Further, I pondered if a dictator's parents could view that child's actions with shame, which given the nature of my post, would certainly not imply equivocation.


103 posted on 05/08/2006 6:39:28 PM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: CheyennePress

Thanks for the clarification


104 posted on 05/08/2006 6:41:01 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: Suzy Quzy
"Your gayness is a shame on your fine parents.....and they tolerate you because they love you, but I am pretty sure they are shamed by your actions."

I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume this is none of your f'cking business. What happens in their family is none of our business, unless Dick decides to shoot them or something lol.

105 posted on 05/08/2006 6:42:28 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: Sunsong

Yeah, on re-reading my original post, I wasn't being clear at all, and I see how you could have drawn that inference. Hope I didn't come across hostile. That wasn't my intent.


106 posted on 05/08/2006 6:42:37 PM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: Howlin

Sure they do. They may not choose their appetites but they do choose their behaviors. If they have no capacity for self-control, as you suggest, then they are a danger to society. I am sure that some live much riskier lives than others. In fact, some wonder whether marriage might bring more safety.


107 posted on 05/08/2006 6:44:13 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: John Geyer

The thing that irks me is that they promote this hedonistic idea as if there will be no consequences for self indulgence, then they are standing right there to profit and benefit from the downfall and degradation of any opponent like jackals.


108 posted on 05/08/2006 6:47:34 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: CheyennePress

No problem. I just wasn't clear what your point was(g). I appreciate you explaining it. Turns out, imo, it was a good point!


109 posted on 05/08/2006 6:51:11 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: ClaireSolt; Howlin; All
Check this out:

Lesbians' brains react differently to sex hormones than those of heterosexual women, new research indicates.

That's in line with an earlier study that had indicated gay men's brain responses were different from straight men - though the difference for men was more pronounced than has now been found in women.

Lesbians' brains reacted somewhat, though not completely, like those of heterosexual men, a team of Swedish researchers said in Tuesday's edition of Proceedings of the National...

az central

110 posted on 05/08/2006 6:53:54 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: gidget7

But giving them "domestic partnerships" is the same thing as being married. Just a different name for it...


111 posted on 05/08/2006 6:57:05 PM PDT by RebekahT ("Our government is not the solution to the problem, government is the problem." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: gidget7
As if the Bible somehow progresses to what liberal man is thinking at any given time.

At first I thought you may have meant to say regresses. But I see your point - the liberal can only accommodate the Bible if it progresses or is metamorphosed to their beliefs.
Nevertheless, you're correct, and although homosexuals have no monopoly on the practice they are prime examples of the type that discount or outright ignore those parts of the Bible which don't coincide with how they think matters should be. (God has some nerve telling us how to live!)

112 posted on 05/08/2006 7:00:19 PM PDT by jla
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To: Jane Austen

I would think that the Cheneys love their daughter very much. I have seen or heard nothing that would indicate otherwise. They seem to be a wonderful family.

As a parent of 3 teens, I can assure you that it is quite possible (and common) to love your children and still be disappointed in some of the things they do. Most of us are very fortunate that parents can love their children, in spite of their faults.


113 posted on 05/08/2006 7:01:20 PM PDT by ga medic
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To: RebekahT
"But giving them "domestic partnerships" is the same thing as being married. Just a different name for it...:


Yes of course it would. They have always had access to power of atty, leaving property in wills, etc. They are not denied any rights at all.
114 posted on 05/08/2006 7:05:47 PM PDT by gidget7 (PC is the huge rock, behind which lies hide!)
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To: RebekahT

Here's the question/issue nobody addresses: Every day legally ordained clergy perform "weddings" for gay couples. The unions, of course, are not recognized by the gubmint.

So, should these clergy be banned from conducting the services? And what defines a marriage -- gubmint recognition or the blessing of clergy?


115 posted on 05/08/2006 7:07:43 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: skandalon

She is flogging a book.

Does a subsidiary of ABC own the rights to the book? must be so.

Newsflash to the deviant, no way is homosexuality accepted in marriage in europe. Only in countries which need a weak family unit to keep socialism on life support.

Even the EU order is only advisory and non-binding.

She should have quit.


116 posted on 05/08/2006 7:11:24 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Howlin
Well, doesn't that work out well for you.

It works out quite well when attempting to remain on topic -regardless, I do not consider moral relative or anecdotal arguments valid -as such I do not promote their introduction. Whether or not I am heterosexual, male or female, have children, grandchildren or practice a celibate monastic existence is not relevant to the facts...

117 posted on 05/08/2006 7:25:47 PM PDT by DBeers ()
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To: Sunsong
And some people choose to make others miserable, and some people choose to focus on others' misery and some people like to sit in judgment of others' choices - as if they are God's little helper.

Your statement is too ambiguous to derive any position from... I guess I can assume you advocate defeatism and social pacifism with a smidgen of indignant outrage and ambiguous finger pointing...

Homosexual activity is a choice and it is a wrong choice...

There are some like myself that oppose the homosexualization of society because they know that homosexual activity is unhealthy, disordered and promulgates a miserable death style that negatively impacts all of humanity...

118 posted on 05/08/2006 7:37:19 PM PDT by DBeers ()
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To: DLfromthedesert

I probably don't notice them.


119 posted on 05/08/2006 7:42:43 PM PDT by John Geyer
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To: Sunsong
Lesbians' brains react differently to sex hormones than those of heterosexual women, new research indicates.

I am not aware of the existence of lesbian brains...

It looks like more junk science -more propaganda...

120 posted on 05/08/2006 7:47:47 PM PDT by DBeers ()
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To: DBeers
Homosexual activity is a choice and it is a wrong choice...

Misery is a choice and a wrong choice. Not knowing the difference between what is personal and what is public is a choice and a wrong choice. Not knowing the difference between what is God's and what is government's is a choice and a wrong choice. Being a pharisee rather than a disciple is a choice and a wrong choice. Over eating is a choice and a wrong choice. Being unloving in word or deed is a choice and a wrong choice. Being hard hearted is a choice and a wrong choice. Having unclean thoughts is a choice and a wrong choice. Feeling better than others is a choice and a wrong choice...etc etc etc

And all of them - every single one of them negatively impacts all of humanity.

121 posted on 05/08/2006 8:03:58 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: DBeers
I am not aware of the existence of lesbian brains...

There is a perfect example of junk.

122 posted on 05/08/2006 8:05:04 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: Sunsong
And all of them - every single one of them negatively impacts all of humanity.

Maybe you can start an "all of them" agenda ping list and opine about everything equally... Somewhere else...

I suggest you move on to another topic if you can not face reality and do not want to discuss the premise of this topic -the homosexual disorder -the leftists' sacred cow...

123 posted on 05/08/2006 8:29:03 PM PDT by DBeers ()
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To: DBeers
I would suggest that you get used to the idea that you cannot control, intimidate, shame, belittle etc your way into domination of any thread.

But you sure can expose yourself as one of the modern day pharisees(g).

124 posted on 05/08/2006 8:38:16 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: Sunsong
There is a perfect example of junk.

My posting simply reiterates reality and counters the delusion premising the article of propaganda specific to the homosexual disorder you were so gracious to introduce into the discussion.

It is odd that you are specific in support of homosexual propaganda yet have attempted in ambiguous fashion to avoid and or discredit anything specific claiming the homosexual condition is disordered and to be avoided...

I simply stated my understanding of the scientific fact that there is no such "thing" as a lesbian brain -period... Scientists can not yet identify a lesbian -how can one imagine scientists can identify a lesbian brain? LOL!

Now as to real junk -your postings on this discussion thus far taken as a whole quite biased and quite supportive of the homosexualization of society...

On the one hand you ambiguously denounce all who would sit in judgment of those who choose to engage in homosexual activity while also attempting to divert the topic by introducing other things as morally wrong as homosexual activity. All this while adding in junk science propaganda! LOL

I would suggest you just give up -it is quite transparent what you attempt here... The more you post the deeper the hole you dig...

125 posted on 05/08/2006 8:54:42 PM PDT by DBeers ()
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To: Sunsong

And just who is it that has made the personal public?


126 posted on 05/08/2006 9:00:09 PM PDT by DLfromthedesert (Texas Cowboy...graduated to Glory)
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To: Sunsong
But you sure can expose yourself as one of the modern day pharisees(g).

Actually, let's keep it simple and avoid personal name calling and personal attacks -shall we?

I oppose the homosexualization of society and consider homosexual activity to be disordered and something to be avoided -it is something to be discouraged, something not meriting any social privilege or reward...

-and you?

Can you transcend meek ambiguousness and passive personal attacks to stick your neck out for what you believe SPECIFIC to the question? I do not think you can do it -I think your fear of zotting is too strong...

127 posted on 05/08/2006 9:04:01 PM PDT by DBeers ()
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To: DBeers
My posting simply reiterates reality

Your postings simply show your hatred your hard-heartedness, your mental rigidity and your blatant attempt to place yourself as judge of others.

As I say, you expose yourself as a modern day pharisee...the taleban Christians - those who want to control others' lives when their own are so clearly tainted with sin.

128 posted on 05/08/2006 9:09:14 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: DBeers
Actually, let's keep it simple and avoid personal name calling and personal attacks -shall we?

Do you mean like this statement from you?

I guess I can assume you advocate defeatism and social pacifism with a smidgen of indignant outrage and ambiguous finger pointing...

Pointing out that you expose yourself as a modern day pharisee is just accurate feedback for you(g). Hopefully you are capable of inner reflection...

Unless you are without sin yourself - you are out of line, imo, with your hatred and condemnation of others.

My point here is that you are, imo, delving into things that are not your business. I would urge you to put your energies into reducing the size and scope of government - not trying to increase it by spying on people and getting into their bedrooms.

129 posted on 05/08/2006 9:31:02 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: Sunsong
As I say, you expose yourself as a modern day pharisee...the taleban Christians - those who want to control others' lives when their own are so clearly tainted with sin.

Well, I am an atheist... go ahead expose yourself... you are using the Christians as a proxy for hatred of Judaism, aren't you?

Morality and all of its associated concepts are from the belief some higher power defines what is correct in human behavior. Today, "morals" are a religious pagan philosophy of esoteric hobgoblins. Transfiguration is a pantheon of fantasies as the medium of infinitization. Others get derision for having an unwavering Judaic belief in Yahweh and/or Yeshua, although their critics and enemies will evangelize insertion of phantasmagoric fetishisms into secular law.

Mosaic Law (of which the Ten Commandments is just a part) is the foundation of Western Civilization. Genesis is the primary focus of the Declaration of Independence, from where our Constitutional rights are derived. The Ten Commandments are the foundation of our judicial system.

Moses wrote Genesis. This is why such people will jump up and down screaming when the Ten Commandments are displayed or the Creationist idea of monogamy from the book of Genesis is introduced.

The latter (Genesis) also ruins the illogical and non-biological arguments of homosexual monogamy. In a secular sense, homosexuality is an idolatry of perversion. It is in no way an anatomical function of the human organism, but a phantasmagoric creation from within the mentally disturbed human mind, a social psychosis, naked and on full exhibitionist display.

This is the whole crux of their attack on creationism - - they are really frustrated by Genesis, but cannot destroy the axiomatic state of procreant human biology, it does not fit their religious agenda.

Homosexual monogamy advocates seek ceremonious sanctification of their anatomical perversions and esoteric absolution for their guilt-ridden, impoverished egos.

Neither of those will satisfy their universal dissatisfaction with mortality or connect them to something eternal. With pantheons of fantasies as their medium of infinitization, they still have nothing in them of reality, any more than there is in the things that seem to stand before us in a dream.

Homosexual deviancy is really a pagan practice (and a self-induced social psychosis) at war with the Judaic culture over what is written in the book of Genesis (1:27, 2:18).

This is exactly what the National Socialists were at war with... so, when someone uses the term "Gaystapo," they might not realize how close to the truth they really are.

Many will seek ceremonious sanctification and esoteric absolution in some type of marriage rite, but that still fails to give them a connection to the eternal in both a religious and temporal, procreant sense - - the union does not produce offspring.

Dissatisfaction with inevitable mortality only feeds the impoverishment of the ego further. Homosexuals really hate human life; their whole desire is rooted in the destruction of it...

I'll take the Christians any day over the pervert wierdos on drugs who spread diseases (and their enablers, like you)...

130 posted on 05/08/2006 9:32:34 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: skandalon

I wish she had. She's nothing but a cheerleader for the homosexual agenda, using her father's position to agitate for her perverted cause.


131 posted on 05/08/2006 9:34:00 PM PDT by Antoninus (I will not vote for a liberal, regardless of party.)
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To: Sunsong

I would urge you to put your energies into reducing the size and scope of government - not trying to increase it by spying on people and getting into their bedrooms.


And that's more fun, how?


132 posted on 05/08/2006 9:37:56 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: DBeers
There are no "gay" people, there are people (always heterosexual) who feel predisposed cause unknown to engage in homosexual activity and or people (always heterosexual) who actually choose to engage in homosexual activity.

100% correct. "Gay" is an addictive lifestyle choice--almost identical to being a swinger or a binge drinker. It's not "who you are" -- it's how you behave. The penis was not meant by nature to be jammed into someone's anus in much the same way it was not meant to be jammed into a meat-grinder.

Let me know when a group of sickos starts demanding the right to marry meat-grinders, will you?
133 posted on 05/08/2006 9:40:21 PM PDT by Antoninus (I will not vote for a liberal, regardless of party.)
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To: Howlin
Are there black people, or are they, too, ones who feel predisposed to engage in black activities?

I know plenty of black people who would be outraged that you'd make such an inane comparison. This comparison is so asinine, I'm surprised people still make it.

Was any "gay" person ever born genetically pre-disposed to jam his penis into another man's anus? I don't think so...
134 posted on 05/08/2006 9:43:10 PM PDT by Antoninus (I will not vote for a liberal, regardless of party.)
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To: Howlin
You're saying they CHOOSE to live miserable lives?

So do drug addicts and alcoholics. Do you enable that behavior, too?
135 posted on 05/08/2006 9:45:07 PM PDT by Antoninus (I will not vote for a liberal, regardless of party.)
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To: Suzy Quzy

Skandalon is not gay---stop calling skandalon gay. It's not nice. Also, and seriously, you have no more reason branding Mary Cheney's gayness "shameful" as you have in assuming her parents are embarrassed by it or find it shameful. That, you might remember, is the loathsome tack taken by the fat wife of John Edwards during the last election. But if you want to be like them, that's your business.


136 posted on 05/08/2006 9:46:12 PM PDT by willyboyishere
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To: DBeers
Myself, as the atheist I am, think it is imperative as a matter of biological survival to isolate homosexuals from society. They only spread communicable disease and mental deviancy, they should be quarantined.
137 posted on 05/08/2006 9:48:50 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Antoninus

What a ridiculous comparison.


138 posted on 05/08/2006 9:51:40 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Torie
Comparing someone who is gay to a killer, much less a mass killer, even if loosely, puts you way, way out there on the continuum.

Not at all...

Homosexuals really hate human life; their whole desire is rooted in the destruction of it...

139 posted on 05/08/2006 9:52:13 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Torie
The anecdotal evidence is that folks resist going gay, until they realize that further resistance is futile, and destructive to the self (psychologically).

That's what the modern psych crowd would have you believe. The field of psychology is steadily moving in the direction of saying that denying any behavioral impulse is bad for you. Think of the ramifications of that for a minute. And people wonder why most of the therapists they know are head-cases themselves. The inmates really are running the asylum.

Have you read this article yet? If not, you should:

The Truth About the Homosexual Rights Movement (Caution, graphic contents)
140 posted on 05/08/2006 9:52:15 PM PDT by Antoninus (I will not vote for a liberal, regardless of party.)
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To: Antoninus
Was any "gay" person ever born genetically pre-disposed to jam his penis into another man's anus?

You are collosally ignorant.

141 posted on 05/08/2006 9:52:38 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: durasell

Well in your case, if you're trying to get into people's bedrooms - let me know how it goes(g)


142 posted on 05/08/2006 9:52:52 PM PDT by Sunsong
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To: sinkspur

Are you suggesting they are honored and pleased she has embraced the homosexual lifestyle?


143 posted on 05/08/2006 9:54:31 PM PDT by JCEccles (Kitzmiller Syndrome: anger and paranoia that someone is harboring critical thoughts about Darwinism.)
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To: Sunsong
And some people choose to make others miserable

Yes. For example, place-seeking parents who abandon their children to nannies and day care. Abandoned children who, in turn, find the most vile behavior to get their parents' attention. It's all about misery and making others as miserable as they have made you.

"Look at me, Mommy. Look at me! I'm gay! I'm gay! Look at me!"
144 posted on 05/08/2006 9:55:30 PM PDT by Antoninus (I will not vote for a liberal, regardless of party.)
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To: Sunsong

Naw, I just find passing judgement on other people and how they choose or don't choose to live their lives enormous fun...it makes me feel better about myself and my own diminished position in society.

So, don't even think about wearing white after Labor Day! At least not while I'm around.


145 posted on 05/08/2006 9:56:10 PM PDT by durasell (!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
Myself, as the atheist I am, think it is imperative as a matter of biological survival to isolate homosexuals from society. They only spread communicable disease and mental deviancy, they should be quarantined.

Why not kill them? You're an atheist; there are no eternal consequences in your world view, so killing homosexuals ought to preferable to a quarantine.

What gives you the right to put human beings into camps? Are you afraid some gay guy is going to molest you?

146 posted on 05/08/2006 9:56:56 PM PDT by sinkspur ( I didn't know until just now that it was Barzini all along.)
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To: Antoninus; Howlin

Was Freudian psychoanalytic theory of sexual stages in psychological development more accurate than accredited?

The Michael Jackson Complex is fixation on mutilation of and deviance with human anatomy in the media. It is a social psychosis catering to the lowest common denominator and generated with Pavlovian behavioral conditioning in popular culture.

Should we really be canonizing special societal privileges in the law based on idolatrous fetishes?


147 posted on 05/08/2006 9:57:26 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: durasell

We judge behavior. We all do. Including you. Homosexual behavior is no better than adultery. Both are destructive of the soul and damaging to the traditional family.


148 posted on 05/08/2006 9:58:12 PM PDT by JCEccles (Kitzmiller Syndrome: anger and paranoia that someone is harboring critical thoughts about Darwinism.)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

What in the hell are you talking about?


149 posted on 05/08/2006 9:58:18 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
You write a long post - but hardly say anything(g). You are an atheist who believes in Moses??? and Genesis???

You are free to hate as much as you want to. I'm sorry for you - but I would not take away your choice.

You are also free to hold any ideology you want to.

You are welcome to the taleban Christians as well. Free to choose who you like to be asociated with.

150 posted on 05/08/2006 9:58:51 PM PDT by Sunsong
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