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Why Are We Baiting Putin?
The Post Chronicle ^ | 5/9/06 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 05/08/2006 8:59:41 PM PDT by RepublicNewbie

"(N)o legitimate interest is served when oil and gas become tools of intimidation or blackmail, either by supply management or attempt to monopolize transportation," thundered Vice President Cheney to the international pro-democracy conference in Vilnius, Lithuania.

"(N)o one can justify actions that undermine the territorial integrity of a neighbor, or interfere with democratic movements."

Cheney's remarks were directed straight at the Kremlin and President Vladimir Putin, who is to host the G-8 Conference in July.

Cheering Cheney on is John McCain, front-runner for the GOP nomination, who has urged President Bush to snub Putin by boycotting the G-8 summit. What the GOP is thus offering the nation right now is seven more years of in-your-face bellicosity in foreign policy.

What does McCain think we would accomplish -- other than a new parading of our moral superiority -- by so public an insult to Putin and Russia as a Bush boycott of the St. Petersburg summit? Do we not have enough trouble in this world, do we not have enough people hating us and Bush that we have to get into Putin's face and antagonize the largest nation on earth and a co-equal nuclear power? What is the purpose of this confrontation diplomacy? What does it accomplish?

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Greeting Late night freepers. I'm normally a morning guy but since I'm up late I offer this piece by Pat Buchanan.

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1 posted on 05/08/2006 8:59:43 PM PDT by RepublicNewbie
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To: RepublicNewbie

Pat would be all for dissing Putin if he said he supported Israel agains the arab hordes.


2 posted on 05/08/2006 9:01:47 PM PDT by pissant
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To: RepublicNewbie

Oil is the reason that we bait putin....


3 posted on 05/08/2006 9:02:31 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: RepublicNewbie
PJB needs to keep his head buried in the sand when it comes to foreign policy, every time he pulls his head out of the sand, he quickly manages to put it where the Sun doesn't shine
4 posted on 05/08/2006 9:05:02 PM PDT by MJY1288 (THE DEMOCRATS OFFER NOTHING FOR THE FUTURE AND THEY LIE ABOUT THE PAST)
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To: RepublicNewbie
Buchanan just loves the attention, doesn't he? I suppose the guy has to do something for a living these days, aye?
Another day, another Buchanan opinion. There's hundreds of 'em out there .... somewhere.
5 posted on 05/08/2006 9:06:06 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal.")
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To: RepublicNewbie
Pat tends to forget inconvenient facts, like the fact that we financed the Soviet redeployment out of Western Europe, and the additional tens of billions in loan guarantees to keep the Russians afloat financially. What kind of return have we gotten on our investment in the Russsian "democratic" experiment? Try a crackdown on free enterprise and dissent by KGB Agent Putin, Russian weapons sales to countries that were overtly or covertly fighting us (Iraq, Iran, Syria), zero pressure on the North Koreans to end their nuclear program or missile sales, Russian failure to "close ranks" on sanctions against Iran if they don't end their nuclear enrichment.

What do we have to gain from "antagonizing" Putin? The better question is: "what have we got to lose"?

6 posted on 05/08/2006 9:10:56 PM PDT by pawdoggie
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To: pawdoggie

That stunt Putin pulled when he turned of the gas sent a shock round the world.


7 posted on 05/08/2006 9:15:06 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: pawdoggie

Great Post


8 posted on 05/08/2006 9:15:20 PM PDT by MJY1288 (THE DEMOCRATS OFFER NOTHING FOR THE FUTURE AND THEY LIE ABOUT THE PAST)
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To: pawdoggie
"What do we have to gain from "antagonizing" Putin? The better question is: "what have we got to lose"?"

Thats right! To put it in a way people in DC will never do. Russia is now a 3rd rate power, time to push them around. If they don't like it, then who cares.

9 posted on 05/08/2006 9:15:33 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: concerned about politics

Well, on this one Buchanan is simply wrong. What is needed is to start a Mahhattan Project-scale effort at the alternative energetics- nuclear, coal gasification, biodiesel, cellulosic ethanol, eic. This requires crystallized public support - $3 gas alone has not yet done it. Thus a PR campaign focused upon foreign energy suppliers and their malicious agendas.


10 posted on 05/08/2006 9:16:07 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: RepublicNewbie
Like any good National Socialist, Pat knows that he's got to make a deal with the communists to topple the evil capitalists with their prosperity and freedom.


*sigh* And to think he actually worked in the Reagan administration.

11 posted on 05/08/2006 9:21:45 PM PDT by LenS
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To: RepublicNewbie
"What is the purpose of this confrontation diplomacy?"

Does Buchanan know that Russia has been blackmailing the Ukraine, and the world, with price fixing on oil and natural gas? Does he even know that Russia has been sticking a knife in America's, Europe's and Israel's backs by thwarting our efforts to halt Iran's nuclear bomb-making materials? Iran is a hostile dictatorship, run by true madmen, hence giving tacit support to their nuclear ambitions makes Russia far more confrontational than Cheney was.

I used to like Buchanan, but I think he needs meds or something now. His thinking is great one day, (such as immigration reform), but then he loses all credibility the next day by writing nonsense like this.

12 posted on 05/08/2006 9:28:07 PM PDT by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the mohammedans has devastated the Churches of God" Pope Urban II ~ 1097A.D.)
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To: RepublicNewbie
Reagan called the Soviet Union an "evil empire" once, but the Soviet Union we confronted in those years was hostile. Until lately, today's Russia was not.

I wonder what Russia has done lately which would make Pat suggest that Russia is now hostile to us.

Russia didn't support Saddam Hussein? Russia didn't make billions on Saddam's UN Oil for Palaces Scam? Russia just started supporting Iran recently?

Maybe Russia's newfound support for HAMAS is what Pat is talking about. Somehow I doubt it.

If we don't want these people in our backyard, what are we doing in theirs?

Why is Putin selling Hugo Chavez fighter jets, attack helicopters and thousands of rifles?

13 posted on 05/08/2006 9:38:55 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: ClaireSolt

January is the wrong month to shut off gas in that part of the world. BRRR.


14 posted on 05/08/2006 9:57:15 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (Americans need to remember Osama's "strong horse" -"weak horse" analogy. Let's stop acting weak.)
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To: pawdoggie
What do we have to gain from "antagonizing" Putin? The better question is: "what have we got to lose"?

Well said and right on target..

At least Cheney, unlike our spineless congress, has the backbone to point out Putin's move toward fascism..
Of course, I have always suspected the so-called fall of the USSR was a gigantic hoax, a ruse, to put america at ease..
Not that I was ever sure of it, but it was always there, in the back of my mind..
Eastern europe is still struggling economically, and is highly vulnerable to communist takeover under the right circumstances..
In the meantime, Socialism/communism is taking root in South america, Central america, Mexico..

Once the dominoes are all in place, what's to stop a return of the old USSR??

15 posted on 05/08/2006 10:22:08 PM PDT by Drammach (In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king..)
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To: Finalapproach29er
January is the wrong month to shut off gas in that part of the world. BRRR.

Yeah.. If you really want to take over all of Eastern europe, shut the gas off in like, October..
By May, all the satellite nations will be goose-stepping in unison to the soviet's music..

16 posted on 05/08/2006 10:24:22 PM PDT by Drammach (In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king..)
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To: Thunder90
Iran is the reason that we bait Putin - because he is a snake, and an enemy of the US. But Buchanan will praise anyone he can find who reminds him of the glory days of European fascism. Moral squalor does not remain stationary, it descends and it accelerates.
17 posted on 05/08/2006 10:26:17 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Drammach
Or we could just cut to the chase and have a brilliant first strike.
18 posted on 05/08/2006 10:27:13 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: RepublicNewbie

What does McCain think we would accomplish -- other than a new parading of our moral superiority -- by so public an insult to Putin and Russia as a Bush boycott of the St. Petersburg summit? Do we not have enough trouble in this world, do we not have enough people hating us and Bush that we have to get into Putin's face and antagonize the largest nation on earth and a co-equal nuclear power? What is the purpose of this confrontation diplomacy? What does it accomplish?==

Good questions. Cheney picked up on most popular leader of Russia today. Russian people won't like it at all. What Cheney did just rise up the anti-americanism in Russia on record altitude. He did so stupid that it is unbeleiveable.

Cheney "killed" Vlad Rizhkov already. Guy just disappeared from political scene. No one can find him and get interview:). Rizhkov is new "political dead" now.
Interesting how many more "russian democrates" Cheney will "kill"?


19 posted on 05/08/2006 10:32:44 PM PDT by RusIvan
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To: Tailgunner Joe

Why is Putin selling Hugo Chavez fighter jets, attack helicopters and thousands of rifles?==

Just business. Russia needs to make money and feed her industry.


20 posted on 05/08/2006 10:34:39 PM PDT by RusIvan
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