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My Problem with Christianism
Time.com ^ | Sunday, May 7, 2006 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 05/10/2006 6:28:01 AM PDT by bondjamesbond

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To: orionblamblam

True. The Jews would probably consider Christianity a cult, but we weren't talking about Jews, so you once again display your ignorance of logic. In brief, when you discuss apples, you discuss apples, not oranges. Freshman rhetoric students understand this. You, obviously, do not.


361 posted on 05/14/2006 9:20:40 PM PDT by Hootowl
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To: Hootowl

> but we weren't talking about Jews

We were talking about what defines a "cult." Since you admit that Christianity is a cult, you basically have redfined the practical definition of the word into meaninglessness.


362 posted on 05/14/2006 10:31:07 PM PDT by orionblamblam (I'm interested in science and preventing its corruption, so here I am.)
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To: William Terrell

You're ignoring what Christ taught us through St. Paul about the necessity and nature of His Church, into which we must be incorporated as members of His body. There's no way I can force you to look at this. Good day. God bless you.


363 posted on 05/15/2006 5:15:22 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (In the church God has appointed first of all apostles,...)
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To: orionblamblam
So are gods. Find one that you can prove wasn't just thought up by someone, and maybe you'll be on to something.

Hi, Troll.

You made the declarative statement "So are gods." So it is up to you to PROVE that statement for ALL cases.

I won't hold my breath.

Cheers!

364 posted on 05/21/2006 9:39:52 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: orionblamblam
Freedom from religion is part and parcel of freedom of religion.

Hi, Troll.

So by your logic, freedom *FROM* speech is part and parcel of freedom of speech.

So if someone happened to hit the abuse button to get you banned, that would be supporting your freedom of speech, then?

Cheers!

365 posted on 05/21/2006 9:43:57 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: bondjamesbond
And there are those who simply believe that, by definition, God is unknowable to our limited, fallible human minds and souls.

I agree wholeheartedly. This is why I prefer revealed religions to those where people figure their god out on their own. This is also why I tend to ignore those who look at religion and say, "I don't believe a god would act like that." Particularly, modern scholars like those in The Jesus Seminar worry me. They want to speak for G-d rather than listening to Him.

If God is ultimately unknowable, then how can we be so certain of what God's real position is on, say, the fate of Terri Schiavo? Or the morality of contraception? Or the role of women? Or the love of a gay couple?

The morality of conception? What the @*#! does that mean?

But I digress. I remember back when Doonsbury was funny, Duke was talking to Honey about how difficult it must be to know when Mao was saying something to be quoted and when he was just running at the mouth. Honey said, "He makes it easy. He says, 'Quote that sucker!'"

If G-d had not told us, we would not know.

But G-d has told us, and so we are without excuse.

Shalom.

366 posted on 05/21/2006 10:10:09 AM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: frogjerk
If my neighbor is hopping and skipping his/her way toward Hell, I am compelled by my faith to try and make them see the error of their ways in a compassionate way WITHOUT beating them over the head with my faith.

If my neighbor is hopping and skipping his/her way toward Hell heterosexism, I am compelled by my faith to try and make them see the error of their ways in a compassionate way WITHOUT beating them over the head with my faith homosexuality.

If the homosexuals would say this, I would be a lot more comfortable with their demands that I be more circumspect about the demands of my faith.

BTW: I am not accusing you of being a homosexual advocate.

Shalom.

367 posted on 05/21/2006 11:05:14 AM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
He spoke of equality, love, compassion, tolerance, and peace.

He also spoke of sin and judgement.

Jesus knew the human heart better than anyone. He had no illusions as to what was necessary to govern men.

Shalom.

368 posted on 05/21/2006 1:47:03 PM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: cantfindagoodscreenname
But, for the liberal Christian, the end (the poor get taken care of) justifies the means.

I had one tell me that he couldn't be pro-life because he knew his daughter was beautiful and sexy (and he was right). If she ever came home pregnant he would have an easier time getting an abortion for her than letting her attend the youth group pregnant.

I guess it never occurred to him to father her.

Shalom.

369 posted on 05/21/2006 1:50:37 PM PDT by ArGee (The Ring must not be allowed to fall into Hillary's hands!)
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To: bondjamesbond
by definition, God is unknowable to our limited, fallible human minds and souls.

Wrong. We can know God through his Son Jesus Christ. Jesus said, "No man can come to the Father but by me." And, "He that has seen me has seen the Father." We can have a personal relationship with Jesus and Jesus is God, of the same substance and equal with the Father and the Holy Spirit. The attitude of God the Father, God the Holy Spirit, and God the Son are exactly the same on every issue.

If God is ultimately unknowable, then how can we be so certain of what God's real position is on, say, the fate of Terri Schiavo? Or the morality of contraception? Or the role of women? Or the love of a gay couple?

First of all, God is not ultimately unknowable, he tells us a lot about himself in his written word and we can learn more about him through our fellowship with Jesus Christ. To know Jesus is to know God.

But anyway, there are easy answers for three of those four issues. Simply read what God said in Holy Scripture about taking innocent human life, the role of women in the family and the church, and about homosexual perversion. God makes no secret of his position regarding those three matters.

I don't know of a scripture passage that refers to contraception, but I remember a brief passage in Genesis saying that God was so displeased with a man named Onan who "spilled his seed on the ground" instead of impregnating his dead brother's widow according to the custom of that period that he caused him to die before his time. Does that indicate that God regards "seed" as human life, or that he punished the man because he refused to perform his duty to his dead brother? I honestly don't know, but the context seems to favor the latter interpretation. IMHO there is probably ample room for honest disagreement among Christians on that issue. Of course the official RC position is quite clear, but I understand that there is considerable private disagreement with that position among the RC laity.

370 posted on 05/21/2006 3:06:18 PM PDT by epow
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To: frogjerk
There are lay Catholics who, while personally devout, are socially liberal on issues like contraception, gay rights, women's equality and a multi-faith society

Yes, there are many and they are called heretics.

Yep, it has absolutely NOTHING to do with politics.

Doesn't matter if we lived in a monarchy, democracy or communist collective. Heresy is what it is. It is not defined in relation to the form of government.

371 posted on 05/21/2006 3:14:12 PM PDT by stands2reason (You cannot bully or insult any conservative into supporting your guy.)
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To: tcostell

"Joiners" really tick me off.

Go find a religion that fits you, people! You look ridiculous "wearing" Christianity. Or at least have the courage of the agnostics, and be honest to yourself and others.


372 posted on 05/21/2006 3:19:40 PM PDT by stands2reason (You cannot bully or insult any conservative into supporting your guy.)
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