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'Demon drug' propaganda doesn't cut it anymore
The Providence Journal ^ | May 10, 2006 | Froma Harrop

Posted on 05/10/2006 7:31:03 AM PDT by cryptical

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To: Know your rights
"Since no pre-FDR Court ever asked whether there was a substantial effect, how would we know?"

Without knowing, you have little to stand on, don't you? I mean, you make reference to pre- and post-FDR court decisions as though somehow you knew for a fact that they are based on different constitutional interpretations.

But you can't cite any pre-FDR cases that were decided any differently than if the cases were heard post-FDR. Telling.

261 posted on 05/20/2006 10:59:26 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: headsonpikes; Everybody

WHO'S AFRAID OF ENUMERATED RIGHTS?
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262 posted on 05/20/2006 12:12:16 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: cryptical

No to legalization of any kind no matter how many left wingers want it. Longitudinal research on marijuana use among young people below college age indicates those who used:

have lower achievement than the non-users,
more acceptance of deviant behavior,
more delinquent behavior and aggression,
greater rebelliousness,
poorer relationships with parents,
and more associations with delinquent and drug-using friends.

And worse.


As for its usefullness as an anelgesic, if science can prove that THC does relieve pain in a way that is superior to other pain meds then I would agree to having available in prescripion pill form.


263 posted on 05/20/2006 12:27:01 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: eleni121
Longitudinal research on marijuana use among young people below college age indicates those who used:

I can't think of a more definitive "nanny goverment" than to base public policy on an assumption that we are all children.

264 posted on 05/20/2006 12:33:46 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

nanny goverment
_____________________________________________________

Tough luck. I have no patience those who endanger all of us...the collective USA.


265 posted on 05/20/2006 12:42:56 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: robertpaulsen
Paulsen defends FDR:

you can't cite any pre-FDR cases that were decided any differently than if the cases were heard post-FDR. Telling.

Even more "telling":

A Communitarian Ethos

The Groton influence of Endicott Peabody showed in a speech Roosevelt gave at the People's Forum in Troy, NY in 1912.
There he declared that western Europeans and Americans had achieved victory in the struggle for "the liberty of the individual," and that the new agenda should be a "struggle for the liberty of the community."

The wrong ethos for a new age was, "every man does as he sees fit, even with a due regard to law and order." The new order should be, "march on with civilization in a way satisfactory to the well-being of the great majority of us."
In that speech Roosevelt outlined the philosophical base of what would eventually become the New Deal.
He also forecast the rhetorical mode by which "community" could loom over individual liberty.
"If we call the method regulation, people hold up their hands in horror and say 'un-American,' or 'dangerous,'" Roosevelt pointed out. "But if we call the same identical process co-operation, these same old fogeys will cry out 'well done'.... cooperation is as good a word for the new theory as any other.

266 posted on 05/20/2006 1:58:44 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: robertpaulsen
Without knowing, you have little to stand on, don't you?

I have the plain language of the Constitution to stand on ... a much firmer foundation than "substantial effect" emanations from penumbras.

267 posted on 05/20/2006 2:17:51 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: eleni121
Longitudinal research on marijuana use among young people below college age

Does that research demonstrate that those bad outcomes are not simply caused by the same psychological factors that cause marijuana use, rather than being caused by the marijuana use?

And if the same results could be shown for alcohol use, as I think quite likely, would you then support a general ban on alcohol?

268 posted on 05/20/2006 2:22:31 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: eleni121
I have no patience those who endanger all of us

How do marijuana users "endanger all of us"? In any way that alcohol users don't also "endanger all of us"?

269 posted on 05/20/2006 2:24:25 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Know your rights
How do marijuana users "endanger all of us"?

Once a person is so reckless as to question the wisdom, nay, even the authority of our benevolent government in the matter of marijuana, then that person is more likely to question the wisdom of the government in other spheres.

If we do not have absolute faith in the wisdom of the American people and its various governments, and obey with a glad heart their every regulation, then the sky would fall - right on our heads!

270 posted on 05/20/2006 5:38:25 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: Know your rights; tpaine
"I have the plain language of the Constitution to stand on"

I had to double-check to see if this lazy and lame response was from tpaine.

No facts. No cases. No opinions. You're guessing.

271 posted on 05/20/2006 6:29:18 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: cryptical

Mostly people control, as far as the natural drugs go, but heavily processed drugs are very debilitating; but then so is suicide........


272 posted on 05/20/2006 6:35:36 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: Fighting Irish

Is that picture ment to imply that women with large thighs and skinny calves are better in the sack? Or that that is what you will get with pot?


273 posted on 05/20/2006 6:39:41 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: robertpaulsen
--the plain language of the Constitution --:
'every man does as he sees fit, with a due regard to law and order.'

Paulsens commmunitarian new order advocates:

"march on with civilization in a way satisfactory to the well-being of the great majority of us."

In that speech Roosevelt outlined the philosophical base of what would eventually become the 'New Deal', and the paulsen's of this world received their orders.

274 posted on 05/21/2006 5:20:52 AM PDT by tpaine
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To: eleni121
Tough luck. I have no patience those who endanger all of us...the collective USA.

I have no more for those who claim to speak for "the collective".

275 posted on 05/21/2006 6:25:34 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: pawdoggie

"Of course, the same drug lords who control pot and other drugs today will find ways to run the bootlegged pot operation (meaning that the crime and violence associated with drug trafficking would continue, legalization proponents arguments to the contrary notwithstanding)."



Right, like we still have all that alcahol bootleg related violence after the prohibition ended. What are you smoking?


276 posted on 05/21/2006 9:06:53 AM PDT by Szent_Adam_Kiraly ("google maps is the best! " "true that, Double true!")
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To: robertpaulsen
I have the plain language of the Constitution to stand on

No facts.

The Constitution is not a fact?

No cases. No opinions.

Which part of "the Constitution" did you not understand?

277 posted on 05/22/2006 3:30:05 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Know your rights
"I have the plain language of the Constitution to stand on"
"Which part of "the Constitution" did you not understand?"

The part that you're standing on. Move your feet and you'll see that the clear language of the Constitution supports my claims.

It's right there, for all to see. Plain as day. I'm right. You're wrong.

278 posted on 05/23/2006 9:03:53 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
Wrong. "The Congress shall have Power To [...] regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes" ... Intrastate activity is carefully and explicitly excluded.
279 posted on 05/23/2006 3:28:51 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Know your rights
"Intrastate activity is carefully and explicitly excluded"

Wrong. It says "among the states". Plus you've already admitted (need your quote?) that Congress may regulate intrastate traffic.

Where are you going with this? Why do I always have to argue this exact same point with you, time after time after time?

I'm done. You're not adding anything -- you're simply trolling. Tell your buddy Soros you did your job by getting this drug thread to 280 posts.

280 posted on 05/24/2006 4:39:39 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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