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'Demon drug' propaganda doesn't cut it anymore
The Providence Journal ^ | May 10, 2006 | Froma Harrop

Posted on 05/10/2006 7:31:03 AM PDT by cryptical

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To: robertpaulsen
The feds can return the responsibility to the states for the legal/illegal status of drugs, some or all, by simple legislation.

Besides, you've talking about a method. I'm talking about an attitude.

Extinct, Robert. And, you realize you have most probably lined yourself up with very wealthy drug dealers, don't you, attitude wise?

321 posted on 06/05/2006 5:05:19 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: A CA Guy
Can you name any FReepers who support both drug legalization and open borders, as you claimed?

We know the libertarian platform is for open borders.
We know the libertarians are pro-drugs.

Which part of "FReepers" did you not understand?

Can you name any FReepers who support both drug legalization and open borders, as you claimed?

As an example, check out this famed banned tool called MrLeRoy who suggested heroin being legalized

Did he support open borders ... or are you throwing up yet another smokescreen?

Can you name any FReepers who support both drug legalization and open borders, as you claimed?

322 posted on 06/05/2006 5:05:29 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Mojave
99%+ of pot possession arrests are made by the states, not the fed.

Being shy only 1%, then the feds can just turn it over to the states, don't you think? They can do with simple legislation.

Extinct, I say.

323 posted on 06/05/2006 5:08:09 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: cryptical

Loser European nations legalize pot, allow open gays into their military, allow gay marriage laws, allow massive Muslim immigration -----

I see a pattern here of self destructive godless libertarianism


324 posted on 06/05/2006 5:14:32 PM PDT by dennisw (We should return to calling them Muhammadans -- Worshippers of Muhammad and maybe Allah)
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To: dennisw
Loser European nations legalize pot

Except the ones that don't ... such as Sweden, a socialist state whose tough anti-drug laws you would have us imitate. Commie!

325 posted on 06/05/2006 5:25:42 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: Know your rights

Pot and other drugs are for morons. Nations that legalize them are loony


326 posted on 06/05/2006 5:37:44 PM PDT by dennisw (We should return to calling them Muhammadans -- Worshippers of Muhammad and maybe Allah)
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To: dennisw
Pot and other drugs are for morons.

Is alcohol a drug?

327 posted on 06/05/2006 5:40:36 PM PDT by ThinkDifferent
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To: ThinkDifferent

Pot does not equal alcohol, moron. You must be the 3000th moron who has tried that brilliant question on me


328 posted on 06/05/2006 5:50:15 PM PDT by dennisw (We should return to calling them Muhammadans -- Worshippers of Muhammad and maybe Allah)
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To: dennisw
Pot does not equal alcohol

Correct. By just about any objective standard it's less harmful. (And I use neither, so you may want to come up with a more clever retort than "pothead").

329 posted on 06/05/2006 6:21:23 PM PDT by ThinkDifferent
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To: cryptical

" The taxpayers spend almost $8 billion a year enforcing the ban on marijuana "

...and the users spend (read : send out of the country) uncountable billions more.


330 posted on 06/05/2006 6:28:17 PM PDT by sawmill trash (You declare jihad ... we declare DEGUELLO !)
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To: Know your rights
From what I remember of my conversations with that drug obsessed person, MrLeRoy would not want law enforcement to stop drug dealers bringing in his possible supply of drugs and other vices to the United States.
I think he would have liked them to drop the drugs off and go back, but he would have wanted them here for a time with the stash I believe.
331 posted on 06/05/2006 6:45:09 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy

Have you ever heard of the term "small 'l' libertarians?

I have never met any Freeper who supported the whole agenda of the Libertarian party.


332 posted on 06/05/2006 6:51:15 PM PDT by stands2reason (You cannot bully or insult conservatives into supporting your guy.)
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To: stands2reason

Yeah I heard of the Small l libertarians. They are more like conservatives and less socially liberal.

There are so many differences I am surprised the big L's just didn't joint the local anarchist party.


333 posted on 06/05/2006 7:02:17 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: William Terrell
"The feds can return the responsibility to the states for the legal/illegal status of drugs, some or all, by simple legislation."

No need -- that's the status quo. Witness California legalizing medical marijuana.

A federal amendment, similar in wording to Section 2 of the 21st amendment, is necessary to remove the power from the federal government and return it exclusively to the states.

"And, you realize you have most probably lined yourself up with very wealthy drug dealers, don't you, attitude wise?"

And you're lining yourself up with drug addicts. What's your point?

334 posted on 06/06/2006 6:55:59 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: A CA Guy
From what I remember of my conversations with that drug obsessed person, MrLeRoy would not want law enforcement to stop drug dealers bringing in his possible supply of drugs and other vices to the United States.

Even assuming you're right about that (and if you are, it's the first thing you've been right about), that does not equal support for open borders. So you STILL haven't supported your claim that any FReepers support both drug legalization and open borders.

335 posted on 06/06/2006 2:59:42 PM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: robertpaulsen
There is no constitutional authority for the feds to regulate and prohibit drugs. If 1-8-3 can be said to be that authority, then the feds have the authority to regulate and prohibit virtually every action and item in the US.

By simply removing the scheduling system, and obeying the intent of the constitution, the regulation of drugs, a local issue, devolves to the states.

And you're lining yourself up with drug addicts. What's your point?

A syllogism:

Drug dealers enjoy much profit from the artificially high price of drugs.

The artificially high price of drugs are because they are illegal.

Any drug dealer with enough sense to breathe will want to keep them illegal, or their lifestyle is over.

Therefore, they use some of that immense wealth to lobby to keep drugs illegal.

Have a nice day.

336 posted on 06/06/2006 4:53:19 PM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: William Terrell
"If 1-8-3 can be said to be that authority, then the feds have the authority to regulate and prohibit virtually every action and item in the US."

That's not the way I read 1-8-3. My copy says interstate commerce. Is there some interstate commerce that Congress may not regulate? Any?

"By simply removing the scheduling system, and obeying the intent of the constitution, the regulation of drugs, a local issue, devolves to the states."

It's at the states right now. States have the power to regulate drugs under their police powers.

The situation right now is that the federal government has chosen to exercise their power to regulate the interstate commerce of drugs. The only way that power may be removed is by constitutional amendment.

That's how we did it with alcohol. That's why Congress was constitutionally incapable of setting a national minimum age in 1986 -- they had no power to do so.

337 posted on 06/06/2006 5:44:31 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: William Terrell
You have been on many of these threads where numerous such references have been posted.

False. As on so many threads before.

338 posted on 06/09/2006 8:01:20 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: William Terrell
Being shy only 1%, then the feds can just turn it over to the states, don't you think?

As soon as 100% of the pot trade is purely intrastate.

339 posted on 06/09/2006 8:02:43 PM PDT by Mojave
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