[Jim Robinson]

Ross Perot. President Clinton.

[Havoc]

Your dynamic is a little off. It was Bush Sr. that was out of touch and who betrayed the party and country that led to the discontent calling for a Perot. After both parties beat on Perot and ran him out of the race, the guy came back and still garnered 19 percent of the vote - a commentary on the two parties as much as on Perot. Clinton isn't Perot's fault. Clinton is Bush Sr's fault. And if America had had it's way without all the monkey business, there Sr would have retired and Perot would have been President.

Bottom line, you can't blame the Public or Perot for the failures of the GOP. Nor can you blame the public and/or a third party candidate for the GOP not doing the right thing now. It isn't someone else's fault. The fault lies squarely with the GOP. If they can't get it together, they got no business up there.

[Colorado Doug]

In my last rant I neglected to thank you Jim for making this forum and this thread available to us. Conservatives CAN work things out when we have a place for meaningful discourse with others who share like ideals and the same goal, even if the methods differ from time to time.

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Correction:

George Bush -> Ross Perot -> Bill Clinton

Why is it you keep missing the obvious? Ross Perot wouldn't have amounted to more than a fart in the wind if it hadn't been for Bush's betrayal of his base. The Republican's are going to be taught another lesson over Junior's betrayal. And so it goes.