Posted on 05/11/2006 10:27:58 AM PDT by jamese777
U.S. Senate leaders clear path for immigration bill
Thu May 11, 2006 12:32 PM ET
WASHINGTON, May 11 (Reuters) - Republican and Democratic Senate leaders agreed on Thursday on a plan to revive a bill that would give millions of illegal immigrants a chance to earn U.S. citizenship.
The sweeping immigration overhaul, which has triggered rallies by millions of immigrants and their supporters across the country, is expected to be considered by the Senate next week.
Despite the agreement between Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, the outcome of the legislation remains in doubt. It faces opposition from some Republicans who say it gives amnesty to people who broke U.S. laws.
Frist said opponents now will be allowed to offer "a considerable number of amendments" to the bill. In return, Democrats won an assurance that the bill's backers will have a input in eventual negotiations with the U.S. House of Representatives.
The House passed a tough border security bill that would further criminalize illegal presence in the United States and the two bills will have to be merged.
The House bill, which would make illegal presence a felony instead of a civil offense, has drawn huge protests around the country from Hispanic groups and their supporters.
Frist said he wants the Senate to finish work on the bill by the end of the month when Congress takes a week-long break for the Memorial Day holiday.
The legislation stalled just before Congress' Easter break last month when Democrats, worried that Republican opponents would try to gut the bill, blocked consideration of amendments and sought to limit their number. Even though some of those amendments now will go forward, backers feel they have the votes to defeat them.
Sen. Edward Kennedy, a Massachusetts Democrat who has been pushing for the bipartisan immigration overhaul, said he was optimistic the Senate would pass the bill, which also includes a guest worker program backed by President George W. Bush.
"Today's agreement is a major step forward in our fight for tough but fair immigration reform," Kennedy said.
The Senate bill includes border security and enforcement measures, but also addresses the estimated 11 million to 12 million illegal immigrants living in the United States. Millions would be given a chance to earn citizenship. The bill also includes a temporary worker program backed by President George W. Bush.
I can't answer your question unless you tell me if "getting in line" means getting behind everyone who has applied and has been waiting, some for as much as twenty years. That means that not one current illegal who enters this process will re-enter the U.S. until every single legal applicant ahead of them has been processed.
I found that to be obvious before my first post.
I just enjoy countering their assertions with facts.
Some yes and some no; it would be case by case depending on the other types of crimes the illegal may have committed while in the US illegally.
Especially if they have 5 US citizen children in the US?
Irrelevant; if an illegal child molester had 5 USC kids here, I would never let them back in.
The House should block any amnesty-like provisions.
The House stands in the way of the President and the Senate from advancing this bill from moving forward.
So we can speculate that if the House is lost to the democrats this Fall, then the Senate version of the bill will pass.
Therefore do whatever you can to ensure the House remains in Republican control.
If an illegal is fined, deported, gets at end of the line for re-entry to the US and is found to have committed no other crimes while in the US, then he or she is allowed a green card and a path to citizenship. That path, I think we all know, is 10 years long.
Note that the "line" will be accelerated to address the need for workers. The quota per year may cap at a million. All 12 million won't have completed deportation hearings in one year so overall, in this plan that I think most of us would approve, there would be little change in current population and in illegal, once fined, will spend only a few hours outside the US. But . . . that does sound fair.
I think in general people are not focusing on the real issue. It is that one must speak English to become a citizen. Illegals who go through the above process and are 45 years old are going to have a very hard time learning the language -- and they have to wait 10 years anyway.
Many have thought and think it.
Your thoughts are an opening to wisdom that you can read more about here:
http://www.sobran.com/articles/tyranny.shtml
The key thing to understand is that most political power in the USA is in the hands of a network of power brokers that control both parties. In the words of a committee member "there is only one party in Washington that gives the appearance of two". This is not a conspiracy and it is not unusual. It is a natural human tendency to want more and more power and this tendency always results in a quest for absolute control leading to tyranny.
Although some representatives will try to buck the power system in Washington, they eventually learn that they must fall in line for many things that their constituents oppose while pleading the necessity of compromise.
The House is currently blocking the legalization of millions of lawbreakers. The power in Washington will bear down upon House leaders to the point of financing and causing the House to change control this Fall.
Therefore do all you can to help ensure the House stays in control of those that are battling this war from within.
If every illegal is behind every current legal applicant and isn't allowed to set foot on U.S. soil until all current legal applicants are processed I would compromise on "amnesty." It would still be unfair to tens of thousands of people who want to come here legally but haven't applied yet.
That's not the real issue to me. It's not even in the top ten.
I just can't believe they can refuse to "hear" us...this is unreal!
I also don't believe the poll that said most Americans
want the illegals to be allowed to stay who have been here 5 years.
I'm in a bad dream.
Every time there is a thread on illegal aliens, a DUmmmie troll (like mlc9852 on this thread) always appears to argue in favor of the illegal aliens & the amnesty program favored by Dims, weenie Repubs, GW Bush & his administration. mlc9852 knows that he/she is stirring up all sorts of arguments & flame wars by advocating for the illegals.
mlc9852, you've made your pro-illegal points, you can leave now and return to DUmmmie land! & forment strife in
"After they get amnesty, the 20 million new Democrats will show how silly the "Support Republicans even if they're selling out our Country" crowd has been. Republicans, if the party can even survive, will be in permanent minority status.
Exactly, and that's going to screw conservatives until the end of time. I have a little surprise for the RATS though. La Raza, MEChA and other militant Mexican organizations plan to put Mexicans into office as soon as they can. It's Reconquista time. Reid, Boxer, Feinstein, all of them can kiss their jobs goodbye. That would be a silver lining to this invasion, but THAT still wouldn't be worth it. They are going to turn us into the same hell hole that Mexico is. When an illiterate people are calling the shots, we're in deep trouble. I am NOT against any Hispanic Americans. Most of them feel the same way about this as we do. They know they'll be in the same boat we are. I'm NOT against ANY race. What I am against is an invasion from another country who seeks to subvert our government and install their own."
In 2004, President Bush got 44% of the Latino vote. The right Republican candidate could do even better in 2008.
There is still only one US president who ever granted an amnesty to illegals, that was Ronald Wilson Reagan in 1986.
"It is that one must speak English to become a citizen."
" if the Democrats think they can get them on the voter rolls they will find a way to get them here"
Seriously though, that's sad.
Cheers :)
Easy Does It
I think you're on to something. Slick has a way with poor, uneducated people like the typical recent Hispanic immigrant. If enough of them can be slipped through the wide open cracks in our voter registration system, winning every major election for the next half century will be a slam dunk for the lying crooks who go by the name of Democrat.
Too bad that Republicans in Congress and the White House are asleep at the switch at such a critical time as this is. The next two elections may well set the tone of the US government for the next generation or longer. That's what happened with the 1932 election of FDR and a radical left Congress, radical for that time at least, and the nation is still suffering through the socialistic, big government after effects of that election.
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