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To: Havoc
Could you be specific about the results to which you refer? Seems to me unparalleled economic growth and low unemployment are good results. And outsourcing is, long term, a reasonable approach to spreading prosperity abroad.

To me the biggest hindrances to employment of the poor are irrational minimum (or so-called "living") wage laws and the spreading of an expectation that children are an option to which everyone, regardless of economic, domestic, or marital circumstance has a right but to whom, once they are conceived, no one but the government and taxpayers has an obligation -- and that only if they are permitted to survive gestation and the peri-natal period.

It used to be that fathering bastards was shameful as was begetting and conceiving children while taking no thought to their feeding and housing. Now it's considered a right which only the cruel question.

As to the current Republican stance on illegal immigration, it is shameful and incomprehensible. And as long as Republicans tolerate clowns like Spectre (or however that ghoul's name is spelled), we will always deserve at least some of the attacks you aim at us.

70 posted on 05/13/2006 6:07:17 AM PDT by Mad Dawg (If you find yourself in a fair fight, you did not prepare properly.)
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To: Mad Dawg

Spreading prosperity abroad can be done without destroying jobs in the US. And if it were truly spreading prosperity that you were concerned with, the foreign workers would be paid american wages. They aren't. See how easy those copouts are wiped off the map.

As for 'living wage' laws. There is a minimum amount of money per hour that you can pay under which no one can live. IMHO, it is above the current minimum wage. I couldn't rent an apartment, pay basic utilities and eat on what I earn. And I'm above minimum wage by a bit. So it isn't some irrational sum. Give a man land and he can feed himself. Give him a paycheck instead and he'll have to work twice as hard to have nothing - including the land. That is what businesses profit from - gaining more productivity from an individual than what he's allowed to show for himself at the bottom end of the wage scale. If civilized society is an improvement upon anarchy, this should not be the case. Yet it is.

We agree on the issue of fathering bastards; but, some people make bastards of themselves by their actions rather than by their birth. That, in the minds of some, is plenty ok as long as they're the one being bastards rather than being treated like one. When the Dems were in power and pissed on you, you guys whined and moaned like children and instead of treating them with the respect you knew you were deserving of, when things changed, you treat them like bastards because you're in power and can do what you please.

further, what you call 'unparalleled growth' now, you dismissed as 'bubble jobs' under Clinton. A bastard in one circumstance and a prince in another. It isn't by happenstance of quality. We've all been treated to the breakdowns of the jobs actually created on other threads here.. mostly service sector - retail and sandwich shops type crap that pay minimum wage. If that's 'unparalleled growth, I'd wonder at what you'd call creation of decent jobs that afford people something beyond breathing and eating.

As for attacks.. heh, it's always interesting how, in certain circles, stating the truth is an attack. If the truth is an attack upon you, you do indeed have a problem.

The GOP is kneecapping the underclass and acting like it's the white knight for handing out tax cuts. As I've noted elsewhere, If bush is responsible for his tax policy, he's responsible for his trade policy. I got a three hundred dollar tax check on that first round. I'd gladly return it if the 30K a year plus benefits job that his trade policy helped offshore were returned to me. But, I don't get that option. And I'm interested in stopping the rape of America for profit. You can call it spreading prosperity - that's just an excuse. And it's one, as it happens, that the poor negotiator who handled offshoring our account threw out when he came to apologize to us for not doing a better job. He was seeking, at the time, anything to make him feel better about the situation - it didn't work for him either. Didn't really work for anyone. But it's still floated as though a valid excuse - and crumbles on inspection of the facts.


77 posted on 05/13/2006 6:44:33 AM PDT by Havoc (Evolutionists and Democrats: "We aren't getting our message out" (coincidence?))
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