We're gonna get outta this, 99! I tell you, that Goss guy can't stop us!
Posted on 05/13/2006 5:36:26 AM PDT by Pokey78
And I believe if my memory serves me correct that Casey's death was somewhat mysterious in itself.
Evidently J. Edgar Hoover is still in residence at HQ.
Don't think so. Casey died of brain cancer.
Maybe my memory is going down hill faster than the rest of the parts. But I recall that the brain tumor was found suddenly and the man was gone.
Probably watching too much "24".
That is exactly right. I had forgotten about that. Casey's family had not communicated with him in some time at the time Woodward claimed Casey talked to him. I don't think Casey would talk to Woodward anyway.
The CIA will be rewarded when the RATS take control .... they will be gutted.
Very perceptive. I agree. Bush gets credit for a lot of things he has never done. Taking out the Taliban was bold. Taking down Saddam was bold. But he has never held the Sauds feet to the fire on Al Qaeda. Nor has he truly rebuilt our military. And his border and immigration policies are right there with Ted Kennedy.
PORTER AND CASEY
Written by Dr. Jack Wheeler
Wednesday, 10 May 2006
No, not Bill Casey, Ronald Reagan's DCI. Casey Stengel. After winning 10 pennants in 12 years including 5 straight World Series managing the New York Yankees, Stengel spent 3 dismal years trying to manage the hopeless New York Mets. They were so inept that at one point, Stengel blurted out the immortal line, "Doesn't anyone here know how to play this game?"
Porter Goss asked the same question of the team he was managing, the CIA - and the team owner fired him.
The saga of the sacking of Porter Goss is one of such gargantuan incompetence on the part of the Bush White House that it finally tears any loyalty conservatives have to this presidency.
It also provides the final evidence that the CIA should be abolished. Get rid of the whole bureaucratic mess and let the DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) at the Pentagon handle intel analysis and ops.
To get a handle on the fiasco requires re-reading the entire series of TTP articles on the CIA. It starts with Tenet Down Powell To Go, which described the State Department/CIA war against Rumsfeld and how Rummy won, forcing Tenet's resignation.
That article predicted in June 2004 that Porter Goss, then chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, would be the next DCI. The next in the series - and absolutely critical for you to read - is Porter At The Pass.
This explained that: "Most folks think the CIA is a right-wing outfit. It is not. The CIA has been dominated by incompetent left-wing hyper-liberals for years."
It further explained that:
The CIA doesn't simply live in a pre-September 11 world where terrorism is only a "nuisance" - it is that the CIA lives in a left-wing world, the same left-wing world as the State Department. Both worship at the Shrine of Accommodation, Appeasement, and Compromise. Both Langley and Foggy Bottom bureaucrats hate George Bush for alienating the Euroweenies and taking the fight to the Moslem terrorists. Both are working overtime to do what they can to secure Bush's defeat.
The leader of the CIA's war against George Bush was an agent named Paul Pillar. In The Pillar Gang, you learned that:
The Pillar Gang hates George Bush because he won't appease the terrorists. Porter Goss is doing all that is humanly possible to rid the CIA of leftists who focus more on hurting the White House than defending their country. Let's hope he has enough time.
When Goss finally got confirmed as DCI in September 2004, it looked for a while that he would succeed in purging the agency of the left wing "Rogue Weasels" like Pillar and his ilk, the subject of The CIA in Deep Qaaqaa.
One of the principal Rogue Weasels purged by Porter was Stephen Kappes, Pillar's chief lieutenant in the CIA's war on George Bush. Yesterday (5/9) it was announced that Stephen Kappes will be the new Deputy Director of the CIA.
Porter's firing was a total victory for the Rogue Weasels. Their war on Bush, the stream of treasonous leaks to the Washington Post, will continue unabated. And Bush has absolutely no one to blame but himself.
The Weasels' victory was engineered by hyping the rivalry between Porter and John Negroponte, head of the ridiculous new layer of intelligence bureaucracy created by Bush.
Negroponte is a State Department guy with no deep intel background. His dedication to his job as National Intelligence Director can be seen by his regular two-hour lunches at the University Club in downtown DC, which include a swim and massage smack in the middle of his "work" day.
The Weasels got Negroponte's ego in a lather over Porter's "challenging" his authority and expertise. Then the Weasels went to work on Josh Bolten, Bush's new chief of staff. They conned Bolten into believing that Porter himself was involved in "Hookergate" - the Washington poker parties replete with prostitutes set up by Porter's deputy, Kyle "Dusty" Foggo.
Porter with prostitutes. Right. But instead of laughing them away, Bolten listened to the Weasels after hearing complaints from Negroponte. Then he picked up the phone to call Porter and ask for his resignation. The Weasels' coup was complete.
What a reward for yet another virtuoso intel ops performance by Porter, described in Virtual Osama. You first learned how good at tradecraft Porter could be in his rescue of Ukraine's Orange Revolution in Global Freedom and Drunk Coal Miners.
So now the CIA gets another bureaucrat fixated on "sigint" - signal/electronic intelligence - and clueless on "humint" - real live human intel and psy-ops. Michael Hayden, as Negroponte's deputy, will be Negroponte's poodle at the CIA. He has no intel ops or "humint" background, and will be run around the halls of Langley with a ring through his nose by Kappes and the Weasels.
The left-wing bureaucrats win and Clueless George loses. Thanks for a valiant try, Porter. But you know how Washington works: it's the place where no good deed goes unpunished.
I no longer believe it is possible to reform George Bush. The man is not the son, rather he is the clone of his father -- a man who had a tin ear for politics.
Very good analysis and Wheeler should know.
But he has never held the Sauds feet to the fire on Al Qaeda. Nor has he truly rebuilt our military. And his border and immigration policies are right there with Ted Kennedy.
I don't know about the military, but I'm not sure on the Saudis. I think he's working this end of things quietly and gaining some ground. This is just a hunch. Question: There were stories circulating of Saudi fathers kidnapping children from American mothers and refusing to return them. I recall a human interest story of a teenage girl who had returned from Saudi Arabia and this article indicated that her release was due to policy change. I believe the article ran in Newsweek but can recall only the sketchiest details. Do you recall it or any similar article? If this happened, and if the Saudis are releasing children to their mothers then there is cooperation at some level, I figure. I really need to check this out, but if you can recall anything proving or disproving this I'd like to know.
Hope the story on mothers/children is true, but not sure what it has to do with Saudis funding Jihadists.
Oh, I don't think the Saudis have been funding the Jihadis so much as buying them off. The Jihadis are trying to dump the Saudi royals and take control.
Don't get me wrong, I have as little regard for those bastards as anyone; but we've got a full plate and this approach is more, well, economical.
Not just the saudi royals. Other wealthy Sauds have been funding Al Qaeda. Also, the saudi royal family is not a homogenous entity. There are about 30,000 of them broken relatively evenly into 3 groups:
1. 10,000 or so in power or close to power by being closely related to the Crown. These folks fear Al Qaida and hate them because they know Al Qaeda wants to overthrow them. But their solution in the past was to buy them off.
2. 10,000 or so not in power and not real interested. They are not close enough to the Crown to have real power, but they are happy to have their allowance and stay out of things. These folks tend to travel extensively in the West and frequent nightclubs, strip joints and discos. They act pious only at home, but don't spend much time at home.
3. 10,000 or so who are not in power and pissed off about it. They are radiclaized and they provide funding for Al Qaida and hate their cousins. They want to see Al qaeda overthrow their cousins and hate the West as much as OBL. They have plenty of money because they get their allowances just as the rest do.
But the most definitive evidence I have seen of collusion between Al Qaeda and the Saudi royals is the fact that not one single Saudi royal has ever been targeted anywhere by Al Qaida, despite all the rhetoric from OBL that the saudi royals are corrupt, etc. And it's not like some of these Saudi royals are hard to find. Go to London, Paris, Geneva, NYC, Rodeo Drive, etc and you can find them shopping, whoring and dancing in discos.
I'd like to know when this 25,000 member strong agency actually did something useful. Seems to me, their primary charter since 2000 has been to defeat George Bush's presidency.
We're gonna get outta this, 99! I tell you, that Goss guy can't stop us!
Would you believe....
Tear it down. Fire everyone and start over. It would be no loss in any case.
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