Posted on 05/13/2006 7:29:17 PM PDT by Roscoe Karns
"It's not a secret where the Minuteman volunteers are going to be," Mario Martinez said Monday." --- That is a factually correct statement that says nothing about any US agency reporting anything to the Mexican government about where the Minutemen are operating. If you want to know where the Minutemen are operating, just go to the Minutemen's own website. They post it for you right there.
"This ... simply makes two basic statements -- that we will not allow any lawlessness of any type, and that if an alien is encountered by a Minuteman or arrested by the Minuteman, then we will allow that government to interview the person." --- That is a factually correct statement that says nothing about any US agency reporting anything to the Mexican government about where the Minutemen are operating.
"Once an illegal alien is apprehended, they can request counsel," he said. "We have to give their counsel the information about their apprehension, and that includes where they are apprehended, whether a Minuteman volunteer spotted them or a citizen." --- That is a factually correct statement that says nothing about any US agency reporting anything to the Mexican government about where the Minutemen are operating.
"Martinez said Mexico's official perception of the civilian groups is that they are vigilantes, a belief the Border Patrol hoped to allay by entering into the cooperative agreement." --- Not a direct quote from Martinez, but something that is eagerly and conveniently ignored by folks who claim this is some kind of anti-Minuteman conspiracy.
And there you have it. That's it. Now please tell me how any quote from Martinez supports the phony claim that the government is ratting out where the Minutemen are or will be operating to the Mexican government.
You just said the last quote wasn't from Martinez so I don't know how that's a "fact." Second, Martinez is said to be the source for the original article and when there was a follow up, he did not refute the article.
The last quote is not a direct quote, but the article says "Martinez says...." Now either you believe the article or you don't. And of course Martinez hasn't refuted anything he said in this article. As I've already pointed out, there is nothing incorrect or scandalous about what he said. It is the reporter's editorializing in other parts of the article that are phony. Martinez is not responsible for her bogus reporting.
Why didn't Martinez tell her it was all wrong when she called him for a follow up?
this is all window dressing - Bush could care less about homeland security. this is all about votes, after november Bush will be back to supporting the leftest who are spilling across the border and destroying this nation.
Break out the popcorn. It's going to be a wild night.
Because to my knowledge she never called him for a follow up. Do you have some information that says she did? I certainly haven't read anything where she makes that claim. Regardless, the Border Patrol flatly denied her story was correct, while at the same time reaffirming what Martinez said in the first place. And as I've already stated, NOTHING Martinez says supports the false conclusion that any Federal Agency tells the Mexican government about where the Minutemen are operating. The whole thing is a typical example of the MSM twisting a non-story into a story in the hopes of dividing Republicans.
http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_3803897 Here is the link to the follow up article by Sara Carter. She claimed in a radio interview that she did speak with him and he didn't refute her first report.
> 7 out 10 Americans prefer this "cement barrier"
Can we pick different colors?
On the same token, neither have you. I guess you have to decide who's lying. It would have been helpful if the BP had come out with a solid denial like the Duke kid did yesterday: "That's a total lie. No agency of the U.S. has EVER reported the Minutemen or another other civilian groups' whereabouts to the Mexican government."
I'm sorry. Have you completely missed the fact that the accused party here has issued a complete and specific denial of the exact thing Sara Carter falsely accused them of? Let's rehash the facts. In her article titled "U.S. tipping Mexico to Minuteman patrols" she claims "While Minuteman civilian patrols are keeping an eye out for illegal border crossers, the U.S. Border Patrol is keeping an eye out for Minutemen -- and telling the Mexican government where they are." In response, the Border Patrol issued the following statement...
"Today’s report by the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin, “U.S. tipping Mexico to Minuteman patrols,” is inaccurate. Border Patrol does not report activity by civilian, non-law enforcement groups to the Government of Mexico. During a detention of a legal or illegal immigrant that produces an allegation of improper treatment, Border Patrol reports the allegation and allows the appropriate consulate to interview the individual in custody.
This is consistent with the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations of 1963 that provides consular access to foreign nationals being detained by a foreign government. This is the same agreement that protects United States citizens when they travel to foreign countries.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection’s Border Patrol continues to appreciate the efforts of civilians who contact law enforcement authorities regarding suspicious activity."
Now let me repeat the very plain and solid denial by the Border Patrol..."Border Patrol does not report activity by civilian, non-law enforcement groups to the Government of Mexico. What part of that isn't clear to you? Now for the fourth or fifth time, I challenge you to provide evidence to support the false accusation that they do. Or is the mere accusation good enough?
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