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To: IronJack; Badray
Well said, Gentlemen. You are echoing the words of James Madison, who in "Memorial and Remonstrance" said:

"...Because it is proper to take alarm at the first experiment on our liberties. We hold this prudent jealousy to be the first duty of Citizens, and one of the noblest characteristics of the late Revolution. The free men of America did not wait till usurped power had strengthened itself by exercise, and entagled the question in precedents. They saw all the consequences in the principle, and they avoided the consequences by denying the principle...."

Sadly, we continue to compromise with the Democrats, thereby validating their principles and entangling them in precedents, even though we hold majorities in the House, the Senate, and we hold the White House. We couldn't even advance modest reforms of Social Security, the Tax code is still an abomination, GWB had to nominate Supreme Court Justices whose records were devoid of any pro-life activity, ANWR is still closed to drilling, and our Southern border is a sieve. How sad.

Every compromise with the left advances their agenda, while ours slowly slips from view. Those of us who advocate holding the Republicans accountable don't want to elect Democrats, we simply want to stop the leftward slide. We've called, written, faxed, e-mailed...and the slide continues. Those of us who've watched this process for more than a decade have finally decided to say "enough is enough." We've decided to pull up hard and fast on the reins in a last ditch effort to stop this slide. We can't seem to get their attention any other way.

We don't owe the Republicans our votes. They must earn them by showing demonstrable progress on domestic issues instead of attempting to placate us with platitudes.
51 posted on 05/14/2006 12:20:18 PM PDT by Conservative Goddess (Politiae legibus, non leges politiis, adaptandae)
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To: Conservative Goddess

If there is compromising to be done, it should be in our direction, not the Dems. Compromising in the wrong direction when your party is in charge isn't compromise, it's retreat.

And as long as the Republican rank and file listen to the siren call of the Party that the other party must be defeated at all costs, they will have no incentive to change their course.


53 posted on 05/14/2006 12:44:16 PM PDT by Badray (Dems = pneumonia. RINOs = flu. Both can kill, but many folks underestimate the threat from the flu.)
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To: Conservative Goddess; IronJack; Badray

While I agree--we don't owe the Republicans our votes--we sure as hell don't owe our votes to the clintons.

But that precisely what you'd be doing--placing a de facto vote for hillary clinton--if you vote for a Perot, or if you sit out the election because of a Perot-surrogate issue.

You are conflating two issues, and in the process, deluding yourselves.

The first issue is policy. As long as DC is run by the professional pol, we will have policy that serves... surprise... the professional pol. It doesn't matter if that pol is a conservative or a liberal, a Democrat or a Republican or a Bull Moose.

You are deluding yourself if you think otherwise. (Think 'Barrett Report redactions loophole.' It is proof certain that not one honest, courageous politician exists in either the Senate or the House.)

The professional pol is a self-selected subgroup of Homo sapiens marked by mediocrity, corruptibility and dysfunction. The answer to the current mediocrity, entrenched power and lack of courage is not to help elect even more defective professional pols (or even less defective ones, for that matter). It is to begin fielding outstanding citizen-politicians. Just like the Founders envisioned.

The second issue is the '08 election. That is what I am addressing here. (The '06 election will set the stage and is, therefore, almost as crucial.) It is self-evident that a Democrat--and especially a clinton--would be fatal for America. Now is not the time for us to indulge our indignations.

Is it really asking too much to wait until we dispense with the clintons for good? Imagine how good you would feel, how many possibilities would suddenly open up, if we could deliver the coup de grace before '08 and remove them from the political stage... for good....


56 posted on 05/14/2006 1:18:46 PM PDT by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Conservative Goddess
We don't owe the Republicans our votes. They must earn them by showing demonstrable progress on domestic issues instead of attempting to placate us with platitudes.

Well said.

61 posted on 05/14/2006 3:23:56 PM PDT by IronJack
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