Skip to comments.Echoes of the 19th century's forgotten conflict
Posted on 05/14/2006 6:52:43 PM PDT by SuzyQ2
In early 1846, Pres. James K. Polk dispatched an expeditionary force to the border hoping to provoke hostilities. It worked. In April, Mexico declared war. The American Army won two back-to-back victories. The U.S. formally declared war in May, and after a series of very bloody battles Mexico was defeated in 1848. America's victory resulted in the vast acquisition of new U.S. territories stretching to the Pacific: A bone of contention for some Mexicans (and other Hispanics) in the current immigration reform debate.
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Let 'em weep. We won it, fair and square, by conquest. It's ours now. They should get over it and move on.
What stuns me is how readily the victors in this cultural war are willing to lay down their arms.
I was unaware they declared war first
The "indiginous" Mexicans can also turn around and head back from where they came from, South America.
Are you referring to the Mexican War or the invasion we now face?
I fear that a good portion of the illegal masses that are here are quietly arming themselves in preparation for the takeover.
At the range last weekend, there were several (10-12) of them there with brand new assault rifles (looked like AR-15s maybe) trying to sight them in.... Don't know how they got them, but they had em. It was almost comical to watch if it wasn't so serious. I couldn't understand a word of what they were saying in spanish, but they were having a real tough time hitting a targets 25 yards away...just spraying bullets everywhere. We had to leave in fear of being shot.
As bad as I hate to say it folks, I fear there is going to be blood in our streets before this issue is brought to a head.
We've literally been invaded and our government had allowed it to happen. The question is: Do we, as a nation of people founded on law, have the guts to stand up for what is ours, our culture and our way of life, or do we just bow down to our task masters and quietly hand over all that this nation has stood for to a foreign invading force? But what do I know, I'm just another stupid, tax-paying gringo.
Alot of "white" peple also come from south America. White isn't an exclusive European phenomenom. "White" people are "aborigionals" in many places, including south America.
It seems the "whites are responsible for everything" racist slurs have been spread by the Democrat party and has cought on well beyond our borders.
You have the right to defend yourself.
You CAN make citizen arrests if you see a crime.
Just don't do anything stupid or our own people will shoot you. Only Americans can be criminals it sems.
"There isn't much you can do except call police if you see illegals with guns, and other illegal things.
You have the right to defend yourself.
You CAN make citizen arrests if you see a crime.
Just don't do anything stupid or our own people will shoot you. Only Americans can be criminals it sems."
Appreciate the sound advice. My shooting buddy and I felt it was better to just quietly leave from there, especially given the high number of them present, but he was pretty upset about it and made me stop at the front while he went in and complained about the way they were just "spraying bullets everywhere". As we drove home, the more he thought about it, the angrier he got. Later in the day, he called me and told me that he had called both the Sheriff's Dept and State Police regarding what appeared to be a large group of armed illegals... I highly doubt that any investigation or followup happened.
What they are really upset about is that the US did not annex the entire country of Mexico in 1848, so that they could be living the good life now.
And furthermore, if they can't manage to keep house where they came from they can only make things a mess here!
Gold was discovered in California 9 days before the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. Fortunately James Marshall knew better than to e-mail everyone about his discovery.
Shrieking doesn't convey understanding. This is barely in the top dozen of our important issues and there is ZERO chance of any civil war breaking out. It is remarkably to watch those calling themselves conservatives going bersherk. This is what it must have been like for sane Southerners to watch their region go insane and attack the Union in 1861.
Supporting President Bush and the GOP is the greatest blow that can be leveled at the forces of Evil which have our nation in the cross hairs. And the eye behind the sight ain't Mexican.
Sonetunes you feel like a nut, sometimes...
Excellent posts both. My feeling about the whole illegal immigration problem is that there is a lot of history behind it that most Americans don't know. Mexico is a dysfunctional country (because of its centralized and quasi-socialist economy) that has no jobs for its people - but has an enormous level of resentment and a serious attitude problem.
I hope Bush quits focusing on the symptom (Mexicans fleeing over the border) and starts focusing on the problem (Mexico). If he does so, he''ll probably be about the first president since Polk to take Mexico seriously
Yeah, Polk should have occupied the country and turned it into a colony. We wouldn't have had the repeated incursions and problems we've had with them.
It may be time for a return visit to the Halls of Montezuma, but not be as kind this time.
the pubbies have a problem. their choices like those of the people on flight 73 are between certain death and near certain death.
If they allow the illegals citizenship--the illegal/legals will do what they did after 1986: vote democratic and tip the country to a democratic majority as they have done in california and that because after 1993 in California many mexicans began voting in california to preserve gov bennies--for which the dems excel. There won't be social security benefit for Americans of retirement age from the illegals/legals because they will suck up what ever they put into the economy--as they are now. They won't yield a net gain. ie they won't pay for anyone's social security.
Everyone but everyone who has ever been to any government building that dispenses anything from health care to drivers lisences can't help but notice that the place is swamped with foreigners. Basically the welfare state system set up in the 1960's is being totally gamed by foreigners.
What the president looks like he is about to do will demoralize the republicans bringing on the effects of the 1992 & 1996 elections. There may not even be a third party but when W builds in a reversal of the fortunes of the war of 1848--it creates a kind of passivity in people when they see their leaders commit them to the status of world historical losers.
If Bush decides to put up a wall and expel the illegals then there is a chance to preserve Republican majorities. It would be helpful to promise that the USA will kill the cost of water desalination and transport so as to make it economically possible to turn the deserts 1000 miles from any desert seacoast -- green. (this would increase the habitable size of the USA by a third and double the habitable size of Mexico.)This work is already ongoing and will be accomplished in five years or so--or in about the same time frame that GM promises to have a cost effective fuel cell car. For GM as it is for the GOP its do or die time.
imho its a mistake for the bush's to put worries about fox ahead of worries about the USA. In any case if the USA returned the illegals to Mexico it would be a great boon to their economy because they would suddenly get an influx of skilled labor that they didn't have before (albeit mixed with expensive troublemakers) and a people who would have a good picture of what a successful country looks like and demand the same for their own. Perhaps they would even demand good government.
Let's fight 'em again. This time take the oil fields, round up the Atzlan idiots, march 'em to the nearest Aztec pyramid, and rip their hearts out.
Multiculturalism at its finest :)
"If they allow the illegals citizenship--the illegal/legals will do what they did after 1986: vote democratic and tip the country to a democratic majority as they have done in california and that because after 1993 in California many mexicans began voting in california to preserve gov bennies--for which the dems excel. There won't be social security benefit for Americans of retirement age from the illegals/legals because they will suck up what ever they put into the economy--as they are now. They won't yield a net gain. ie they won't pay for anyone's social security."
HMMMM ... So, just as the amnesty of 1986 gave us Clinton, the amnesty of 2006 may give us ...
CLINTON IN 2012?
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In this country (NZ) I don't think anyone ever teaches that episode of US history (it is not directly relevant to British Empire history, and certainly not NZ's), but from what I have seen the hardcore anti-Americanism that permeates over here I would no doubt they would scream "bloody American imperialism!" into the wee hours of the morning.
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