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Was it genocide?--Charged questions about Turks and Armenians
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1145961343282&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull ^ | 5-15-06 | GUENTER LEWY

Posted on 05/15/2006 7:07:39 AM PDT by SJackson

Armenians call the calamitous events of 1915-16 in the Ottoman Empire the first genocide of the 20th century. Most Turks refer to the episode as a wartime relocation made necessary by the treasonous conduct of their Armenian minority.

The debate over what actually happened has been going on for almost 100 years; it crops up periodically in various parts of the world when members of the Armenian diaspora push for recognition of the Armenian genocide by their respective parliaments, and the Turkish government warn of retaliation.

On September 29, 2005 the European Parliament in Strasbourg adopted a resolution demanding that, as a condition of admission to the European Union, Turkey acknowledge the killing of its Armenians during World War I as an instance of genocide.

According to the Genocide Convention of 1948, intent is a necessary condition of genocide, and most other definitions of this crime of crimes similarly insist upon the centrality of malicious intent. Hence the crucial question in this controversy is not the huge loss of life in and by itself but rather whether the Young Turk regime intentionally sought the deaths we know to have occurred.

Both sides agree that several hundred thousand men, women and children were forced from their homes, and that during a harrowing trek over mountains and through deserts, uncounted multitudes died of starvation and disease, or were murdered.

To the victims it makes no difference whether they met their deaths as a result of a carefully planned scheme of annihilation, in consequence of a panicky reaction to a misjudged threat, or for any other reason. It does, however, make a difference for the accuracy of the historical record, not to mention the future of Turkish-Armenian relations.

ARMENIANS and their supporters concede the absence of Turkish documentary evidence to prove the responsibility of the Ottoman government for the massacres, but cite the reports of foreign diplomats and missionaries on the scene. Given the large number of deaths and the observed complicity of local officials in the murders, it is not surprising that many of these witnesses concluded the high death toll was an intended outcome of the deportation process.

Still, well-informed as many foreign observers were about the events unfolding before their eyes, their insight into the mind-set and real intentions of the government in Istanbul was necessarily limited. Indeed, to this day the inner workings of the Young Turk regime, and especially the role of the triumvirate of Enver, Talaat and Djemal, are understood only very inadequately.

Most Turks, too, misread the historical record. Quasi-official historians speak of "so-called massacres," or blame the deaths on starvation and disease that are said to have afflicted a far larger numbers of Turks.

And yet there exists an important difference between lives lost as a result of natural causes such as famine and epidemics - blows of fortune that afflicted Muslims and Christians alike - and deaths due to deliberate killing.

It is undeniable that thousands of Armenians died at the hands of their corrupt escorts and the Kurdish tribesmen who occupied their route southward to Ottoman Syria.

CURRENTLY both sides in this controversy make their case by simplifying a complex historical reality and ignoring crucial evidence that would yield a more nuanced picture. Both parties also use heavy-handed tactics to advance their cause and silence a full debate of the issues.

The Turkish government has applied diplomatic pressure and threats and has harassed dissenting Turkish authors; Armenians accuse all those who do not call the massacres a case of genocide of seeking to appease the Turkish government.

In 1994 Armenians in France took the well-known Middle East scholar Bernard Lewis to court and charged him with causing "grievous prejudice to truthful memory" because he denied the accusation of genocide. The court found against Lewis and imposed a token fine.

It is doubtful that contested historical questions are the legitimate province of courts of law or parliaments. Armenians should recognize that distinguished scholars of Ottoman history have questioned the appropriateness of the genocide label for the tragic events of this period, and should cease calling all those who question the Armenian version of these occurrences "denialists" on a par with deniers of the Holocaust. Turks must acknowledge the misdeeds of some of their compatriots during World War I.

With so much that is unknown, both sides should step back from the sterile was-it-genocide-or-not debate and instead seek a common pool of reliable historical knowledge.

The writer is a professor emeritus of political science at the University of Massachusetts and author most recently of The Armenian Massacres in Ottoman Turkey: A Disputed Genocide.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: armenianholocaust
Raphael Lemkin, who coined the term genocide and was responsible for the Genocide treaty, not only considered it genocide, but was inspired in his choice of career by the acts in Armenia, considered it as the classic example if genocide in modern (pre WWII) times.

Always lost in these debates, were it simply mass murder, there's little difference. Other than the world accepts mass murder.

1 posted on 05/15/2006 7:07:42 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson

My Scottish ancestors were "relocated" to the West Indies and then to New Jersey in the 18th century. So do I get reparations? How many centuries before I am no longer a victim?


2 posted on 05/15/2006 7:11:08 AM PDT by Mercat (It's still Easter and we are the Easter people.)
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To: Mercat
How many centuries before I am no longer a victim?

One. When all the survivors are dead, then it's over. That isn't quite the case here.

I've often wondered what the particulars of this one were, but never bothered to look it up. This at least gives me a bit of an overview.

3 posted on 05/15/2006 7:16:56 AM PDT by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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To: SJackson
In 1994 Armenians in France took the well-known Middle East scholar Bernard Lewis to court and charged him with causing "grievous prejudice to truthful memory" because he denied the accusation of genocide. The court found against Lewis and imposed a token fine.

Surprising to learn this.

Also note: there is one occurence of the word "muslim" in this article.

Well, let's all be reasonable about this thing: marching a population into a desert without food or water is not genocide per se. The dehydration and starvation, like the rape and murder along the way, was unintended.

4 posted on 05/15/2006 7:23:56 AM PDT by tsomer
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To: prion
I've often wondered what the particulars of this one were, but never bothered to look it up. This at least gives me a bit of an overview.

seems to me that the word Holocaust can be used here as well as elsewhere.

There are forces here who don't like to consider this or the 'Killing Fields', or Mao's or Stalin's 10's of millions of people killed a Holocaust....I wonder why?

5 posted on 05/15/2006 7:27:05 AM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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It is never genocide when:

The victims are Christians or

Those doing the killings are Muslims.
6 posted on 05/15/2006 7:30:21 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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My grandfather fought in World War I. When he left the service after the war, he was given a seven volume set of books that chronicled the conflict. One of the chapters is on the Armenian genocide. Keep in mind that the books were written almost contemporaneously with the events.

I recall one particular story from the chapter. It reported that one thing the Turks did was to cut off the hands of Armenian children. One eyewitness quoted in the book said that at one place, he saw so many hands that one could have paved the road with them.

7 posted on 05/15/2006 7:30:24 AM PDT by Pete
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To: Pete; Kolokotronis
Ping to Kolo,

If it wasn't "genocide",then the word is useless as a description.
8 posted on 05/15/2006 8:12:52 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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Only fools keep records of war crimes.

No. I'm not aware of an Armenian request for reparations. There are issues with insurance policies/bank accounts unpaid due to lack of proof of death. I've no problem with that. Of course I've no problem with issuing death certificates for 9/11 victims for whom there's no proof of death either.

9 posted on 05/15/2006 8:31:12 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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To: redgolum
If it wasn't "genocide",then the word is useless as a description.

The word "genocide" has lost a lot of its intended meaning because it is used so promiscuously. The shabby treatment of American Indians is often described as a genocide, despite the fact that the Indians, who are or were virtual wards of the government that presumably sought their destruction, are still with us to this day. The Khmer Rouge massacres in Cambodia were described as a "genocide", even though the Khmer Rouge and their supporters were themselves Cambodian. The WWII Holocaust was probably one of the few true and verifiable attempted genocides in human history.

10 posted on 05/15/2006 8:44:34 AM PDT by pawdoggie
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