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The 58 years of relentless ‘nakba’
Gulf Times ^ | 5-15-06 | Karma Nabulsi

Posted on 05/15/2006 7:20:52 AM PDT by SJackson

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1 posted on 05/15/2006 7:20:53 AM PDT by SJackson
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2 posted on 05/15/2006 7:25:39 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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Hey..........there is more bull-sh#t in this article than Bush's border "Policy"


3 posted on 05/15/2006 7:27:09 AM PDT by newcthem (All along I thought I was an American.......now I find that I am just a racist.)
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It's always been my understanding, from reading the mildly anti-Israeli British sources of the time, that the Arabs living in the newly formed state of Israel left in May 1948 at the urging of the surrounding Arab countries, who had all vowed to drive the Jews into the sea and destroy the fledgling state. Their governments promised the departing Arabs that they could have their pick of the Jews' land and possessions after the purge was complete.

When the Arabs failed to destroy Israel, the Israelis refused to allow the former Arab residents to return, which shouldn't surprise anyone. Those Arab residents who hadn't left in the first place were allowed to remain in peace.

This article sounds like revisionist hooey to me.

4 posted on 05/15/2006 7:34:50 AM PDT by American Quilter
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What a steaming pile.

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5 posted on 05/15/2006 7:36:57 AM PDT by Alouette (Psalms of the Day: 83-87)
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All the property in Jaffa that belongs to Arabs who left are paid rent money for this property. The Jewish state has been very careful from the beginning of individual rights. Not all the Arabs were moslums, but many are of christian religions.


6 posted on 05/15/2006 7:42:03 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: SJackson

For some excellent counterpoint to this tripe, go here: http://www.frontpagemag.com/media/pdf/BigLies.pdf


7 posted on 05/15/2006 7:43:03 AM PDT by bobsatwork
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Too bad for the anti-Jewish propagandists that there wasn't a single contemporaneous account of this alleged drive of the Palestinian arabs into the sea.

Isn't it interesting how -- time after time -- the Palestinian arabs coopt the worst things that they try to do to the innocent Israelis and claim that they were done to the Palestinian arabs instead?


8 posted on 05/15/2006 7:53:29 AM PDT by Piranha
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To: American Quilter
It's always been my understanding, from reading the mildly anti-Israeli British sources of the time, that the Arabs living in the newly formed state of Israel left in May 1948 at the urging of the surrounding Arab countries, who had all vowed to drive the Jews into the sea and destroy the fledgling state. Their governments promised the departing Arabs that they could have their pick of the Jews' land and possessions after the purge was complete.

No way of knowing for sure, but likely a large majority. Along with those who simply wanted to avoid what would essentially be a free fire zone, with no quarter to civilians.

9 posted on 05/15/2006 7:53:53 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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Karma Nabulsi: a person who lives to hate Israel and is a full professor at Oxford.


10 posted on 05/15/2006 7:55:59 AM PDT by Nachum
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Ayoon Wa Azan (The Anniversary of the Nakba)

Jihad el-Khazen     Al-Hayat     - 15/05/06//

 
http://english.daralhayat.com/opinion/OPED/05-2006/Article-20060515-388fa463-c0a8-10ed-01d1-b9b7c88ffdb4/story.html

Today is the anniversary of the 'Nakba' (Setback).
Which anniversary and which Nakba? First, there was the 1948 Nakba in Palestine. Then, we had too many setbacks, some of which were evident like the Palestinian Nakba in 1967. There is also the Iraqi Nakba, caused by both the Iraqi and American presidents. On the other hand, there are the hidden setbacks in every other country.
There is the setback of terrorism.
There is the setback of illiteracy.
There is the setback of absence of democracy.
There is the setback of the fragility of the rule of law (I am not going to say the collapse of the rule of law because it has never been established).
There is the setback of the absence of women's rights.
There is the setback of the absence of accountability and transparency.
Each is a setback for which we are all responsible.
Neither Zionism nor Colonialism is responsible. We are responsible. Our responsibility is even doubled, since we still insist on holding the 'other' responsible for our failure. This means that we will keep failing.
I write every day, but I never wrote about the anniversary of the Nakba. And, I do not wish to write about it today. I have already said what I wanted to say in the few previous lines. I would like to proceed with an article on Israel on the 58th anniversary of its existence. The article was written by the writer and historian, Tony Judt, in Haaretz on May 5, 2006. It contains better ideas than our emotions on the anniversary of the Nakba. I will briefly translate some parts of the long valuable article:


"By the age of 58 a country - like a man - should have achieved a certain maturity. But the State of Israel remains curiously immature. The social transformations of the country - and its many economic achievements - have not brought the political wisdom that usually accompanies age.


"But that, Israeli readers will tell me, is the prejudiced view of the outsider. They will say that theirs is simply an independent little state doing what it has always done: looking after its own interests in an inhospitable part of the globe. Why should embattled Israel even acknowledge such foreign criticism, much less act upon it? They - gentiles, Muslims, leftists - have reasons of their own for disliking Israel. They - Europeans, Arabs, fascists - have always singled out Israel for special criticism. Their motives are timeless. They haven't changed. Why should Israel change?
"But they have changed. And it is this change, which has passed largely unrecognized within Israel, to which I want to draw attention here. Before 1967, the State of Israel may have been tiny and embattled, but it was not typically hated: certainly not in the West.


I remember well, in the spring of 1967, how the balance of student opinion at Cambridge University was overwhelmingly pro-Israel in the weeks leading up to the Six-Day War."


But today, everything is different. We can see, in retrospect, that the victory of Israel in June 1967, and its continuing occupation of the territories it conquered then have been the Jewish state's very own Nakba: a moral and political catastrophe. Israel's actions in the West Bank and Gaza have magnified and publicized the country's shortcomings and displayed them to a watching world. Curfews, checkpoints, bulldozers, public humiliations, home destructions, land seizures, shootings, "targeted assassinations," and the separation wall - all these norms of occupation and repression were once familiar only to an informed minority of specialists and activists. Today, they can be watched, in real time, by anyone with a computer or a satellite dish. This means that Israel's behavior is under daily scrutiny by hundreds of millions of people worldwide. The result has been a complete transformation in the way the world views Israel.


Today, only a small minority of outsiders see Israelis as victims. The true victims, it is now widely accepted, are the Palestinians. Indeed, the Palestinians have now displaced Jews as the symbol of a persecuted minority: vulnerable, humiliated and stateless. In this sense, Israel elicits scant sympathy even when its own citizens suffer. Dead Israelis - like the occasional assassinations of white South Africans in the apartheid era, or British colonists hacked to death by native insurgents - are typically perceived abroad, not as the victims of terrorism, but as the collateral damage of their own government's mistaken policies.


The long cultivated persecution mania - "everyone's out to get us" - is no longer accepted as a pretext. At a recent international meeting, I heard one speaker, echoing Helmut Schmidt's famous remark about the Soviet Union being an "Upper Volta with missiles," by describing Israel as "Serbia with missiles."


Israel remains the same, but the world - as I noted above - has changed. Even the Holocaust can no longer be used as an excuse for Israel's behavior. During the Cold War, Israeli governments could still play on the guilt of Germans and other Europeans. Today, the Holocaust is history. In the eyes of a watching world, the fact that the great-grandmother of an Israeli soldier died in Treblinka is no excuse for his own abusive treatment of a Palestinian woman waiting to cross a checkpoint, and then saying to the world, "Remember Auschwitz".


In short, Israel, in the world's eyes, is an ordinary state, but one that behaves in abnormal ways. It is strong, very strong, but its behavior is making everyone else vulnerable. And so, shorn of all other justifications for its behavior, Israel and its supporters now fall back on the oldest pretext of all: Israel is a Jewish state and that is why people criticize it. This - the charge that criticism of Israel is implicitly anti-Semitic - is regarded in Israel and the United States as Israel's trump card. If it has been played more insistently and aggressively in recent years, the reason is that it is now the only card left. But, there is the danger that, by playing this game, Israel's fears will materialize. The Jewish state's irresponsible behavior and insistent identification of all criticism with anti-Semitism is now the leading source of anti-Jewish sentiment in Western Europe and much of Asia. For tens of millions of people in the world today, Israel is indeed the state of all the Jews. 


The recent essay on "The Israel Lobby", by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, is a straw in the wind - an indication of the likely direction of future domestic debate in the US about the country's peculiar ties with Israel. Mearsheimer and Walt are prominent senior academics with impeccable conservative credentials. It is true that 10 years ago, they would not - and probably could not - have published this essay at all.
From one perspective, Israel's future is bleak. To be sure, the modern Israeli state has lethal weapons - very lethal weapons. But can it do with them, except make more enemies? Israel no longer has any special claim upon international sympathy or indulgence. The US won't always be there. Weapons and walls can no more preserve Israel forever than they preserved the German Democratic Republic or white South Africa.

11 posted on 05/15/2006 7:56:48 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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Weapons and walls can no more preserve Israel forever than they preserved the German Democratic Republic or white South Africa.

That's true, but neither the German Democratic Republic or white South African have had Israel's history. The God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob is still around, and His Covenant with Abraham is the only reason the Jewish people have come through to this day.

Anyone can mock that all they want, but the restoration of Israel (with the renewal of the Hebrew language) after 2000 years of diaspora is unique in human history. Go figure....

12 posted on 05/15/2006 8:23:55 AM PDT by xJones
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TRUE The Arabs living in the newly formed state of Israel left in May 1948 at the urging of the surrounding Arab countries, who had all vowed to drive the Jews into the sea and destroy the fledgling state. Their governments promised the departing Arabs that they could have their pick of the Jews' land and possessions after the purge was complete.

TRUE When the Arabs failed to destroy Israel, the Israelis refused to allow the former Arab residents to return

TRUE Those Arab residents who hadn't left in the first place were allowed to remain in peace.

TRUE The more than 50 massacres carried out over the summer of 1948 by various armed Jewish forces; the demolition of villages to ensure the refugees could not return ..."We must do everything to ensure they (the Palestinians) never do return... The old will die and the young will forget," said David Ben-Gurion in 1949.

Frequently in the history of our world, groups bet wrong. The 'Palestinians' bet wrong. Not only did they bet wrong, they thought and now think, the Israelis would let them play again. What the losers forget is that this was a game for keeps, victors generally dictate terms, and that after their nabka, in great part self-inflicted, they were going to be SOL.

The Arab goverments who encouraged the Palestinians to leave, condemned them to live in refugee camps for subsequent generations. This suffering simply did not have to be ... and given the resources available, does not have to be today. These unfortunate people could have been, and should have been resettled elsewhere in the Muslim world long ago. OTOH, those who remained in Israel probably live better than the vast majority of those elsewhere in the Arab world.

13 posted on 05/15/2006 8:25:59 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (How odd of God to put so much crude under the arses of those so rude.)
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To: SJackson

I wasn't aware of this side of the story. I notice that the author, Professor Nabulsi, is teaching in England. Perhaps this helps explain why the Brits are aligned sympathetically with the Palestinians and against Israel.


14 posted on 05/15/2006 8:37:14 AM PDT by Elpasser
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The Arab goverments who encouraged the Palestinians to leave, condemned them to live in refugee camps for subsequent generations. This suffering simply did not have to be ... and given the resources available, does not have to be today. These unfortunate people could have been, and should have been resettled elsewhere in the Muslim world long ago.

Yes and those 'camps' have become cities, like Jenin and Ramallah and Nablus. All fostered by the UN of course. And the other Arab countries use the 'plight' of the Pallies, which they actively perpetuate, to keep their own people from waking to the realization of the screwing they are getting from their native kleptocracies. In Mark Steyn's words the Palestinians are a 'comprehensively wrecked people'. All would have been better off to ride out the 1948 war at home.

15 posted on 05/15/2006 8:52:58 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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There is an implication in what you wrote, even if unintended, that the Palestinian Arabs were peaceful while the Arab Nations attacked Israel in 1948.

Nothing could be further from the truth. The Palestinian Arabs were attacking Palestinian Jews immediately- as they had done for decades.

"First phase: November 29, 1947 - April 1, 1948

On the day following the adoption of the UN resolution seven Jews were killed by Arabs in Palestine in three separate incidents: at 8 o'clock in the morning, in what came to be seen as the opening shots of the 1948 War [52], three Arabs attacked a bus from Netanya to Jerusalem, killing five Jewish passengers. Half an hour later a second bus attack left one passenger dead. Later in the day a twenty-five-year old man was shot dead in Jaffa,[53] where wild rumors spread about alleged attacks on Arabs by Jews [54]. Arab prisoners also attempted to assault Jews in Acre prison, but were beaten back by guards. In Jerusalem the Arab Higher Committee called a three-day general strike from Tuesday, 2 December to be followed by mass demonstrations after Friday prayers. The Committee's statement included eight resolutions, the last of which called on the British Government "to hand over Palestine forthwith to its Arab people".[55] On 2 December a mob looted and burned shops in the Jewish commercial district in Jerusalem, unopposed by British forces. From the beginning of the strike onwards Arab and Jewish clashes escalated and by 11 December the Jerusalem correspondent of The Times estimated that at least 130 people had died, "about 70 of them being Jews, 50 Arabs, and among the rest three British soldiers and one British policeman". [56]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab-Israeli_War#First_phase:_November_29.2C_1947_-_April_1.2C_1948

And see:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/1948_War.html


16 posted on 05/15/2006 9:03:00 AM PDT by Sabramerican (I thought I was voting for George. I voted for Bandar.)
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To: Elpasser

British Arab sympathies long predate the "Palestinians".

In 1948, the most formidable Arab army to attack infant Israel was the Jordanian Legion, trained by the British and led by active serving British officers.


17 posted on 05/15/2006 9:06:01 AM PDT by Sabramerican (I thought I was voting for George. I voted for Bandar.)
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18 posted on 05/15/2006 9:07:01 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Elpasser
I wasn't aware of this side of the story. I notice that the author, Professor Nabulsi, is teaching in England. Perhaps this helps explain why the Brits are aligned sympathetically with the Palestinians and against Israel.

This is far from an unbiased account, simply the highly selective Arab account. The Brits were pro-Arab, anti Israel (Jew, pre 1948) from the early days of the mandate.

19 posted on 05/15/2006 9:09:26 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do!)
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Somehow, Britain and all of Europe seem quite sympathetically aligned with the Palestinians, and have been for some time. With a growing, vocal Muslim minority growing up around them and their pacifist/surrendered worldview, I can at least understand why they would be taking this position today.

But going back a decade or two, it's harder to understand. One would think that after the Haulocost occurred in their midst, they would have developed the opposite orientation.


20 posted on 05/15/2006 9:15:59 AM PDT by Elpasser
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