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Real Clear Politics & Yahoo ^ | May 16, 2006 | Ryan Sager

Posted on 05/16/2006 1:20:13 PM PDT by freepatriot32

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To: billbears
It seems Republicans don't want Constitutionalists, they want activist judges who agree with their views.

Deserves repeating. I see it all the time.

21 posted on 05/16/2006 3:09:53 PM PDT by Publius Valerius
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To: Jim Robinson
This website exits to take back our Republic by keeping the Marxists out of power.

What do you do when it gets increasingly more difficult to tell the difference?

22 posted on 05/16/2006 3:12:32 PM PDT by SittinYonder (Como se llama, bonita, mi casa, su casa)
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To: SittinYonder

A lot of trolls.


23 posted on 05/16/2006 3:18:57 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
"our first job is to elect people who will appoint constitutionalists to the bench."

Let me know when you find one.

L

24 posted on 05/16/2006 3:20:44 PM PDT by Lurker (Insanity is repeating the same action again and again expecting different results each time.)
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To: MNJohnnie

"Give their knee jerk 100%erism, anyone who has a different view on issue A will suddenly decide they have to "Stand on principal" and abandon the party. Pretty soon you have 40 Losetraian parties each thumping their chest and screaming about how "pure" they are. Meanlwile they get ZERO accomplished in politics."

That analysis sounds surprisingly like the situation which the "muslim populations" of the world are currently experiencing.


25 posted on 05/16/2006 3:20:55 PM PDT by roaddog727 (eludium PU36 explosive space modulator)
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To: Constantine XIII
Yep. Libertarians need to build from the ground up.

Agreed. Libertarians will continue to be marginalized like all the other third, fourth, fifth . . . etc parties until they start gaining at the state and local level. To vote Libertarian at the federal level now is a vote wasted or worse, a vote for a rat.

26 posted on 05/16/2006 3:22:24 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Democrats soil institutions)
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To: Lurker

I think President Bush is doing the best job of it I've ever seen.


27 posted on 05/16/2006 3:24:22 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
This website exits to take back our Republic by keeping the Marxists out of power

A worthy cause. However I offer a premise. If the majority of whichever is the correct party continues to pass legislation that expands the government, hence institution of socialist programs, shouldn't we vote against those that would vote in the affirmative for such programs?

Don't get me wrong, I don't vote Democrat at the national level. I follow the principles of the Framers and vote for the candidate who represents my views. If there is not a candidate that represents my views (or at least comes close) in good conscience I cannot vote in that specific race.

However currently at the local level (county) the Democrats are for conservative issues (namely private property), while the Republicans have been for eminent domain when it suits their needs. At the local level, my vote has helped to keep liberals out of power. The conservatives are labeled Democrat, but which is more important, a party or a principle?

If you intend to work against us, I prefer you do it somewhere else.

I do not intend to work against anyone. I intend to follow the warnings of General Washington in his Farewell Address and the 'the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally'. I vote for the most conservative individual on the ballot. Always will, always have. In effect, I am doing my part to keep liberals (new liberals, not classical liberals) out of positions of power

28 posted on 05/16/2006 4:19:03 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: billbears
Ok, I'll put it this way. Those who intend to work against our efforts in the coming election cycle, won't be doing it for long on FR.
29 posted on 05/16/2006 4:42:46 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: MNJohnnie
Adults understand the need to compromise, spoiled children throw tempetantrums about it.

ROFL!
Libertarians know that voting does not change things. Libertarianism is ideology, not pragmatism. The establishment is composed of two socialist wings...Democrat and Republican. The establishment does not allow any 'third' party access to debates or press coverage.

Change will not come from the voting booth. Change will come by way of public outrage. When that day comes, Libertarians will be ready just like they were in 1776.
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30 posted on 05/16/2006 4:51:50 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Ok, I'll put it this way. Those who intend to work against our efforts in the coming election cycle, won't be doing it for long on FR.

Good. I am as disappointed by Pres. Bush's immigration policies as anyone, but some of the things people have been saying here on FR lately have really started to grate.

Everybody knew back in 2000 that George W. Bush was not an ideal conservative candidate, particularly on education, medicare and immigration. But he was a lot better than Gore on defense, judges, and a lot more so I supported him. President Bush has delivered on his promises, good and bad, and we are far better off now than if either Gore or Kerry had won.

Right now it is the House that is keeping the immigration issue from turning into a rout against the American interest. If the 'Rats take the House in November, this will be costly to freedom. We can't afford to be quitters or worse, spoilsports. We have got to keep working.

I've said it before, but I genuinely believe that 2008 represents a golden opportunity to elect a conservative President. The she-witch has the 'Rat nomination in an iron-clad lockbox, and yet she is very weak nationally. The MSM and the extreme leftists are trying to psych us out and snowjob the public with all of this hype about the President's plunging polls, etc., as if the 'Rats can win with nothing.

If we work hard this year, then we can hold the House and prevent another illegal alien amnesty debacle. Then we need to nominate a real Conservative (Tom Coburn?) and carry him to the White House in 2008.

Whatever we do, we must not quit, and we must not burn our own fort, however imperfect it is. It seems some people simply don't understand what our enemies intend for us.

31 posted on 05/16/2006 5:24:53 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: rogue yam

You are so right.


32 posted on 05/16/2006 6:29:29 PM PDT by satchmodog9 (Most people stand on the tracks and never even hear the train coming)
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To: SittinYonder
What do you do when it gets increasingly more difficult to tell the difference?

Stock up on K-Y Jelly.

33 posted on 05/16/2006 7:25:36 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (FR's most controversial FReeper)
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To: Jim Robinson

I hope you have an Industrial-sized can of whoopass to pull out, and that you have been keeping track of those who are likely not who they claim to be.


34 posted on 05/16/2006 7:28:49 PM PDT by RobFromGa (In decline, the Driveby Media is thrashing about like dinosaurs caught in the tar pits.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Ugh. I'd be laughing if you weren't telling the truth.


35 posted on 05/16/2006 7:41:07 PM PDT by SittinYonder (On Raglan Road on an autumn day)
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To: freepatriot32

Libertarians are godless, evil, self-centered, nutty, swines. Especially when they don't vote for the latest beleagured RINO incumbent. When the Republican incumbent is riding high at the polls and no election's on, Libertarians aren't as bad... or at least their godless philosophy and disgusting behavior does't bug the mainstream as much. Libertarianism is such a potent political force that the traitorous fraction of the electorate that calls itself "Libertarian" and actually thinks like one is constantly in danger of destroying the GOP .... establishment.


36 posted on 05/16/2006 9:00:17 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: freepatriot32

Libertarians are particularly obnoxious whenever they are cynical or apathetic about the latest crisis whipped up by the paleocons, authoritarian right, and so-called neoconservatives.


37 posted on 05/16/2006 9:19:50 PM PDT by dr_who_2
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To: rogue yam

- "The she-witch has the 'Rat nomination in an iron-clad lockbox"

No way, they want a chance to win and they aren't that stupid. The Democrats have a fiscal conservative in the wings in former Virginia governor Mark Warner, and they know they need that kind of guy if someone like Giuliani or McCain is running.

Why is everybody so (extremely) worried Hillary would even win an election. For right or wrong reasons, the country is not ready to elect a female president, esp. while in a war on terror and a war in Iraq. Only die-hard Dems would vote for her (primary voters), the same way they nominated such a liberal guy in John Kerry, who only came close because the Iraq war has some hiccups. It seems to me the RNC would have no worries in '08 if she were the nominee, provided some fringe issue doesn't steal the election.


38 posted on 05/16/2006 11:10:47 PM PDT by sheepsclothing
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To: Jim Robinson
Libertarian leaning voters should vote to keep or expand the current majority in congress to block the liberals.

That is the issue in a nutshell. And the best reason to go to the polls in November.

39 posted on 05/16/2006 11:16:38 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: dr_who_2

"Libertarians are godless, evil, self-centered, nutty, swines."
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An interesting premise you have developed there. :)


40 posted on 05/16/2006 11:18:34 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/gasoline_and_government.htm)
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