What If Mexicans Were Crack? - Some similar arguments.

National Review Online ^ | May 17, 2006 | Jonah Goldberg

[AdamSelene235]

Hamilton was a patriot to THIS country, and he was willing to get his neck stretched by signing onto the Declaration of Independence.

As many immigrants aspiring to citizenship could tell you, Hamilton didn't sign the Declaration of Independence.

[George W. Bush]

We can't make it "militarized"? Who says?

It is militarized. But only on the Mexican side.

[Know your rights]

Some drug legalization advocates hang their position on a lot of moral preening about the absolute right of the individual to do what he wants. But many of the same people will then argue that it is—and should be—an outrageous crime to hire an illegal immigrant. Well, conservative economic dogma considers the right to form contracts with whomever you wish to be sacrosanct.

I support free trade ... but the right to form contracts no more illegitimizes border control than it illegitimizes my right to say who shall or shall not enter my home. America belongs to Americans ... a drug user's body belongs only to that drug user.

[A CA Guy]

What If Mexicans Were Crack?

You'd have Libertarians real interested?

[FBD]

You got me on that one. Thanks for setting me straight on that point. I know he was a signer of the Constitution, and I mistakenly thought he was also a signer of the Declaration of Independence.
But do think any of these pro-illegal yahoos with the Che Guevara posters care a whit about our Constitution?
-That was the point of Hamilton's quote.

BTW, your initial comment would seem to imply that you didn't like Hamilton...
What do you have against him, anyway?

Regards

[AdamSelene235]

No, I admire him greatly. I just wonder if the INS would let him in today.

[Wolfie]

ping

[philman_36]

...you can’t defeat the laws of supply and demand.
Sure can't.
In these difficult times we send forth this Public Service Announcement...If you're intent on buying the (ahem) "illegal" drug marijuana at least buy American.

Just look for the "Grown in America" sticker on your next bag, sonny.
It's been specially designed and can only be seen when you're "chied".

[jmc813]

That's because Bill Kristol is no conservative, he is a neo-conservative/New World Order Globalist.

I've been saying for years that neo-cons are liberals who are not pansies on foreign affairs. I've gotten responses ranging from "there is no such thing as neo-conservatism" to "you're a Jew-hater".

[jmc813]

Hey Wolfie, have you ever noticed that so many of the pro-drug war freepers from back in the day turned out to be total wusses on illegal immigration? Mojave's about the only one I can think of who isn't.

[Wolfie]

I've noticed quite a few who have the "you can't arrested 12 million people" mentality when it comes to illegal aliens. The Prez included.

[JTN]

The Mexicans are unlike previous immigrants.

"The (fill in the blank) are unlike previous immigrants." This line is used with every new wave of immigration.

[JTN]

The hoopla surrounding Mexican flags being waved at the protest marches is nonsense. You can find similar displays at marches celebrating anyone's cultural heritage. For example, St. Patrick's Day parades:

Conservatives often defend displays of the Confederate flag by southerners; a flag first waved in open rebellion to the United States. Why is it that the Confederate flag is okay, but waving the Mexican flag is considered high treason?

[neverdem]

"The (fill in the blank) are unlike previous immigrants." This line is used with every new wave of immigration.

Other immigrants effectively broke the umbilical cord from their home country because of sea travel over two oceans. Modern media, air travel and immigration from within the same hemisphere have transformed the situation. Add in historical grievance, especially from the Mexican War, marxist philosophy underpinning their politics and slowness of assimilation, and you have a recipe for disaster.

As Rodney King asked, "can't we all get along"? Well if you look at history, the answer is not likely very well.

[CWOJackson]

Here you go.

[jmc813]

LOL. I'll have to get back to you tomorrow on this thread. My lunch break was overextended as it is.

[FBD]

>"You can find similar displays at marches celebrating anyone's cultural heritage. For example, St. Patrick's Day parades..."<

-What a stupid analogy. I'm Irish, and I've been to St. Patrick Day Parades; they aren't promoting rights for illegal citizens from Ireland, or a Marxist/Socialist agenda.

>"Why is it that the Confederate flag is okay, but waving the Mexican flag is considered high treason?"<
These people have no affinity for this country, and apparently you don't get it. They are died in the wool Latin American Marxists, illegal entrants to this country, who are demanding full rights, which they ARE NOT ENTITLED TO.

Take a look at the Socialist banners, and the Che Guevara T-sirts and posters in the crowd: These people want:

"FULL RIGHTS FOR ALL IMMIGRANTS", and "Socialism and Liberation".

Take a look at the Che Guevara posters; you do realize Che was a violent Marxist revolutionary, don't you???

[JTN]

What a stupid analogy. I'm Irish, and I've been to St. Patrick Day Parades; they aren't promoting rights for illegal citizens from Ireland, or a Marxist/Socialist agenda.

They're waving Irish flags. WHy aren't you condemning their lack of loyalty to this country? Could it be because you realize that the fact that they are waving those flags doesn't mean their loyalties are to a foreign country?

And what about those Confederate flags? Why are you silent on those? Those really can be seen as a sign of disloyalty. Have you ever heard the saying, "The south will rise again"?

These people have no affinity for this country, and apparently you don't get it. They are died in the wool Latin American Marxists, illegal entrants to this country, who are demanding full rights, which they ARE NOT ENTITLED TO. Take a look at the Socialist banners, and the Che Guevara T-sirts and posters in the crowd: These people want: "FULL RIGHTS FOR ALL IMMIGRANTS", and "Socialism and Liberation".

You find one picture of "Che" and one sign saying "Socialism and liberation" out of a crowd of hundreds of thousands and you think you've demonstrated a point? I see more American flags in those pictures than anything else.

They are...illegal entrants to this country

All of them? Now you're starting to sound like that nut Jack Cafferty on CNN. Wolf Blitzer pointed out to him that not all of the protesters are illegal immigrants and Cafferty responded, with a straight face, "How do you know?"

who are demanding full rights, which they ARE NOT ENTITLED TO.

Which rights are they not entitled to? Free expression? Freedom of religion? Of course they are entitled to full rights. Anyone under the jurisdiction of the United States government is entitled to full rights, whether he is breaking the law or not.

[FBD]

>"Which rights are they not entitled to?"

-The right to vote for starters.
The right to citizenship.
The right to a free public education.
etc, etc, etc.


Go back to smoking your crack pipe, or whatever it was you were getting high on, before you pinged me.

[JTN]

The right to vote for starters. The right to citizenship. The right to a free public education.

None of these things are exactly "rights". Privileges would be a better word. For example, if the legislature decides not to fund public education, then that is within both its legal and moral power. Citizen or not, legal immigrant or not, you have no right to be educated at the expense of the public. The notion that you do is ... what's the word ... socialist?

Go back to smoking your crack pipe, or whatever it was you were getting high on, before you pinged me.

This is what you're resorting to now? Very well. I accept your surrender.