Posted on 05/17/2006 6:49:36 PM PDT by FARS
Do you really not see the errors?
I don't think it's Catholic bashing. I think it's history.
The Roman Catholic church was pretty corrupt at that time in history, and it has since then reformed itself.
That's human nature. We are sinful by nature and the institutions we run can be corrupted by our sin.
Just like the pedophilia and homosexual scandals lately in the Roman Catholic church, corruption does creep in to all institutions, and they all have to be swept clean from time to time.
I would also appreciate your pointing out the errors. I've read more about WWII than most Americans and would appreciate accuracy if you can supply it.
Russia saved America's butt by putting up a desperate fight for two years until the US got geared up to begin hammering away at Germany.
That always makes me pissed off to hear that.
Thanks for the help in fighting your naighbor Japan Russia. You helped save America butt by declaring war on Japan AUG 8th 1945.
That is not even a joke.
Iran is now completely encircled.
The Persian people need to act.
I am coping this out and carring it with me, whenever some idiot says something...I will give it to them!!!!!!
The reformation was not a garden tea party. It killed 30% of the population of central Europe. Every leader involved, including the so-called "reformers", can be found in print urging that his opponents be exterminated in the name of God.
Germany could not have successfully invaded Britain. They had no means to do it. They didn't have a Navy, despite Britain's loss of ships to stop them. They did not have sufficient landing craft. Hitler was not a Navy man. He was an Army man. And in the end, he did not invade Britain because he simply did not have the resources to pull it off. Also, Churchill said, in his memoirs, that Britain would have used gas to stop an amphibious attack by Germany. It would have worked. So, we can rewrite the history books, but things happened as they were planned to happen. The Allies won,and Germany lost..primarily because it lacked balanced military might.
This article reads like something I'd find in a high school newspaper.
If you were to go and get one of those books you've read, would it say that Japan invaded Manchuria in 1928?
Would it say that the U.S. declared war on Germany the day after declaring war on Japan?
Would it say that Ireland was one of our allies?
Would it say that Japan & Germany had plans to invade the continental United States?
Is that what happened?
We didn't declare war on Germany until after they declared war on us, on December 11, 1941. That would have been 3 days later.
Thanks for the article. I took it to be very interesting and the comparisons with WWII was especially good. I am not a Historian, but still enjoyed the article, even though he may have been off on some of the facts. If, in fact he was.
Um, that's the point I was trying to make.
It is ungrateful not to mention the losses that Russia suffered in WWII. Granted they were fighting for their own rear ends, but their sacrifices did buy us time, because they bought England time.
It was dicey enough landing in Normandy, France, with England as the staging area. Without England, I can't imagine what we would have done. Where would we have flown bombing missions from if we didn't have England?
And buying time for us, the Russians gave us time to build The Bomb. It was originally intended for Hilter, but became very useful in ending WWII in the Pacific Theatre and probably saved hundreds of thousands of U.S. lives and probably over a million Japanese lives.
Yes, we all know about Russia declaring war on Japan after The Bomb was dropped. And about a lot else, which is why we fought a "cold" war with for half a century after WWII.
And now we face a kind of return of Napoleon from Elba in Putin's hand in glove alliances with all our enemies in the Middle East and Asia.
So, I have no blinkers on about Russia. But they did buy England and thus the U.S. time.
Um, then you should make your points as statements, instead of questions.
I'm not even sure it rises to that level. If a high school student turned this in, he would get it back covered in red ink.
I'm not even sure it rises to that level. If a high school student turned this in, he would get it back covered in red ink.
Here's the other reason posted ealier today on FR for why we are there.
Iraqi Ayatollah Ahmad Al-Baghdadi Talks of America's Annihilation and the Muslim World Conquest
http://www.memri.org/bin/opener_latest.cgi?ID=SD116606
Iraqi Ayatollah Ahmad Al-Baghdadi Talks of America's Annihilation and the Muslim Conquest of the World; Declares Support for Nuclear Bombs for Muslim and Arab Countries
"The Mujahid Iraqi People... Has Shattered the American Plan, Not Only in the Region, but Throughout the World"
Ayatollah Ahmad Husseini Al-Baghdadi: "Jihad in Islam, from the perspective of Islamic jurisprudence, is of two types: jihad initiated by the Muslims, which means raiding the world in order to spread the word that 'there is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is the Prophet of Allah' throughout the world. But this raid will not materialize in our era - the era of barbaric American capitalistic globalism - unless the Infallible, peace be upon him, is present.
"But there are jurisprudents, both Sunnis and Twelver Shi'ites, who have said that the presence of the Infallible is not a prerequisite. If the objective and subjective circumstances materialize, and there are soldiers, weapons, and money - even if this means using biological, chemical, and bacterial weapons - we will conquer the world, so that 'There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is the Prophet of Allah' will be triumphant over the domes of Moscow, Washington, and Paris."
[...]
"But as for defensive Jihad - it is not conditional upon turning to a Sunni or Shi'ite jurisprudent, to a source of authority, to any Islamic school of thought, or to Islamic party, because this type of Jihad is an individual duty. Everyone must fight - children, women, the elderly, the youth - in order to liberate man, to liberate mankind, in order to liberate Palestine in its entirety, in order to liberate Iraq from the American-Zionist-British presence.
"Wielding the guns of battle is the only way to liberate this nation. By Allah, if not for the resolute stand and the resistance of our people in Iraq, the entire region would have fallen, and would have turned into warring and feuding cantons and mini-states, ravaged by wars between different ethnic groups and religious schools of thought. But the mujahid Iraqi people of the resistance has shattered the American plan, not only in the region but throughout the world, because Europe and the Russian federation were humiliated. They are afraid of America. But we stand firm, and we unite, and if we begin to believe in the diverse Arab Islamic Islam, we will annihilate America."
[...]
"The Coming Year Will Witness the Defeat of the Americans, Their Lackeys, and Those Who Rolled in on the American Tanks"
Interviewer: "How do you view Iraq's future, both in the short and long term?"
Ayatollah Ahmad Husseini Al-Baghdadi: "I say that the coming year will witness the defeat of the Americans, their lackeys, and those who rolled in on the American tanks, because the operations are escalating. There are some dubious TV channels that broadcast an item or two about them, whereas other operations are not reported at all."
[...]
"The Americans have fallen into the Iraqi quagmire. The Americans are extremely conceited. They do not give the Palestinians or the Iraqis their rights. He who came by force must be removed by force, and by armed struggle. That is the only way to liberate the Iraqi and Palestinian land and people. The solutions of submission and peace are not permitted from the Islamic perspective, or even from the perspective of international law."
[...]
"It is in the best interest of America to get out of Iraq, in a transparent and objective manner. But now, they are defeated, and the number of American casualties is much greater than the figures reported on TV.
"Let me tell you a secret. When an American tank blows up, they come straight away, clean up the blood, and haul away the tank quickly, in order to cover it up, so that no TV channel will arrive and film the tragic pictures."
[...]
"Car Bomb Attacks are Carried Out by the Israeli Mossad and the CIA, in Purely Shi'ite Areas as Well as in Purely Sunni Areas"
Ayatollah Ahmad Husseini Al-Baghdadi: "Car bomb attacks are carried out by the Israeli Mossad and by the CIA in purely Shi'ite areas, as well as in purely Sunni areas. Hence, this is not a sectarian issue, as has been claimed in order to distort the image of the resistance. These car bombs and explosives belts, in Shi'ite religious centers, in mosques, and in churches, are all a game, planned by the Americans, in order to distort the image of the national and Islamic resistance.
"The Americans should know that the resistance will continue as long as the occupation continues. The Americans themselves are the terrorists, and not the resistance, as claimed by the Americans and their collaborators."
[...]
The American Administration "Has No Love at All for the American People, Let Alone Other, Oppressed, Peoples"
Ayatollah Ahmad Husseini Al-Baghdadi: "When the former U.S.S.R. fell, the Americans became conceited, believing that they had become the only world power that rules in the region. Thus, the American destruction continues, not only against the Arab and Islamic people, but also against Europe, and even against the American people itself. The American administration is 100 percent pro-Zionist. It has no love at all for the American people, let alone the other, oppressed, peoples.
"As for the nuclear bomb, it has caused the Americans some contradictions. They are one big contradiction. Didn't they annihilate... They claim that democracy, liberty, and reform are a historical necessity for backward societies, and so on.
"But in America itself, if you ask the current president to list the states - he doesn't know them. In America, there is hunger, poverty, and disease in certain states, but not in others. That is one thing.
"In America, they annihilated millions of Indians. What democracy? In their own country there is no democracy. There is a rule of two main parties, which are assigned roles by global Zionism. So how can the so-called developing countries, Third World countries, or the poor countries, produce a nuclear bomb? They find themselves in terrible contradictions."
"This Arab Islamic Nation Must Obtain a Nuclear Bomb"
Ayatollah Ahmad Husseini Al-Baghdadi: "How can they face Iran? How come Israel has 50 nuclear bombs? Why are they selective? Why shouldn't an Islamic or Arab country have a nuclear bomb? I am not referring to the Iranian program, which the Iranians say is for peaceful purposes. I am talking about a nuclear bomb.
"This Arab Islamic nation must obtain a nuclear bomb. Without a nuclear bomb, we will continue to be oppressed, and the American destruction... The American donkeyness... The American donkey itself will always continue to attack us, because the Americans are very conceited."
[...]
"The American soldier is haunted by anxiety and fear. Some have been afflicted with mental illness. This is in addition to the wounded and the dead - beyond the figures issued by the American Department of Defense. The opposite is true.
"The Americans can be divided into two. One part includes people of various nationalities, who are not American. When they are killed, they are not included in the list of casualties. Only when it is someone with American citizenship and of American origin do they include him, out of fear of his family. But those foundlings brought by the Americans from Eastern and Western Europe - they joined the American army, but are not true Americans."
[...]
"It is inconceivable that the Arab mujahideen or the Iraqi resistance would kill children, women, and men. The resistance targets American tanks and bases. Those operations are carried out by the American CIA and fifth column.
"Let me tell you a secret. According to the notorious Iraqi Liberation Act, which was enacted in 1998, 12,000 Iraqis were conscripted from among the expatriates. They joined [the American army] for two years, receiving fantastic salaries. After two years, they were given courses in spying and sabotage, and then they rolled in on the American tanks. Today, next to every minister, prime minister, or deputy prime minister, there is a spy. Some of those officials are collaborators themselves, yet they are assigned a spy, because the Americans do not trust the Iraqis."
[...]
"The Americans are the Ones Doing the Killing in the So-Called Sunni Triangle"
Ayatollah Ahmad Husseini Al-Baghdadi: "When a car goes from Al-Hila to Al-Latifiya, for example, in the so-called Sunni Triangle, an American convoy shows up and directs them to a side route, and then some masked people arrive and kill them. Why do they kill them? Because they curse Ali. In the car there are Shi'ites and Sunnis... I have reservations about the terms 'Shi'ite' and 'Sunni,' but forgive me this time..."
Interviewer: "Yes, but that's the reality."
Ayatollah Ahmad Husseini Al-Baghdadi: "There is no choice but to say that. They order them to curse Ali. The Shi'ites are allowed to curse Ali, who said: 'Curse me, but do not abandon me.' Therefore, a Shi'ite may curse the Imam Ali, but a Sunni will never curse Ali, because he is one of the righteous Caliphs... So they kill the Sunni, who refuses to curse Ali, because they think he is a Shi'ite.
"After this indiscriminate shooting on the car, while the people are hovering between life and death - the masks are removed, and it turns out that it was a female American soldier, conducting the interrogation with the help of an interpreter.
"The Americans are the ones who are doing the killing in the so-called Sunni Triangle, or in Al-Latifiya."
[...]
"These collaborators and America should know that I support the resistance. I will fight the American tanks alongside the resistance, because the Iraqi people is an Arab Islamic people that will not accept the rule of an infidel over a Muslim. Never."
[...]
"In the black constitution, it is stated that the religion of the state is Islam, and that all the legislative principles are derived from the original Islamic legislation. It is written in the constitution. That's the first clause."
"Whoever Marries Someone of the Same Sex Must Be Killed"
Ayatollah Ahmad Husseini Al-Baghdadi: "The second clause says no law may contradict the principles of democracy. Can you imagine millions demonstrating in Iraq, calling for same-sex marriage, like in Sweden, America, and Britain? Same-sex marriages means a marriage of a man with a man, or a woman with a woman. This is a terrible catastrophe, totally forbidden by Islam. Whoever marries someone of the same sex must be killed. Both must be killed as soon as possible and must be burned as well."
Secondly, the declaration of war was nothing more than a formal acknowledgement of something that had been going on for quite some time already. The U.S. was effectively at war with Germany long before December of 1941.
I also think the author's musings about the grand plans of Japan and Germany for North American conquest are pretty silly. Neither of those countries was remotely capable of even launching a single airstrike against targets in the U.S. at the time, let alone massing and transporting enough troops to occupy a country that was basically ungovernable at the time.
I thought anyone that had bothered to read the post to which I was responding would realize it was a rhetorical question.
Evidently, I was wrong.
Thanks for the input though, I appreciate the advice.
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