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Creationist lecturer posits Adam, Eve and dinosaurs (Kent Hovind alert)
Morgan County Citizen ^ | May 16, 2006 | BROOKE HATFIELD

Posted on 05/18/2006 11:15:07 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger

One of the nation’s most popular and controversial proponents of creation science is coming to Morgan County.

Dr. Kent Hovind, a former high school science teacher and the founder of Creation Science Evangelism ministries, will address creationism’s religious and scientific origins. Hovind’s seminar is sponsored by the Morgan County Baptist Association, and Shiloh Baptist Church Youth Pastor Paul Miller said evolution’s origins are based on Satan, not science.

"The very beginning of the Bible says in the beginning God created," said Paul Miller, youth pastor at Shiloh Baptist Church. "Throughout history, the devil has had a well-thought-out strategy to attack the word of God. Through what I call modern and postmodern times, the devil has orchestrated this thing such that people think we evolved."

Hovind posits that evolution has been consistently disproven by science, a claim he’s willing to put money on. He has pledged $250,000 to anyone who can provide empirical evidence of evolution. Hovind said only three people have taken him up on his offer, and none walked away with the money.

Hovind’s description of evolution is as follows: time, space and matter came into existence independent of God. Planets and stars formed. Early life forms reproduced, and major changes occurred between these life forms. According to Hovind, many of evolution’s supporters don’t understand the theory.

"They think any kind of change at all is evolution," Hovind said. "They’ll point out that dogs and wolves have a common ancestor, and I would agree. That’s called microevolution, and there is no argument about that. Now does that mean that dogs and bananas have a common ancestor?"

Hovind, who calls himself Dr. Dino, also believes that Earth is only 6,000 years old and that dinosaurs and humans once coexisted.

Hovind said reptiles known as dinosaurs were actually called dragons by early man, and most of these creatures were hunted and killed. Some, like the Loch Ness Monster, remain, he said.

Bringing Hovind to Morgan County was a matter of faith for Miller.

"God just laid it on my heart to expose the lies of evolution," Miller said. "We both sense apathy among God’s people regarding God’s word, especially creation. We need to stand on the word of God."

Although Hovind’s seminar will touch on evolution’s alleged scientific failings, Miller said he ultimately hoped the lectures would touch attendees’ minds and hearts.

"The goal would be that through the discovery of God’s creation, folks would come to know the Lord Jesus Christ," Miller said. "We don’t want to hide the fact that that’s our goal."

Hovind’s seminars will be held Friday, May 12 and Saturday, May 13 at 6:30 p.m. in the Morgan County High School auditorium. Admission is free. He will also speak during Shiloh Baptist Church’s 8 a.m. and 11 a.m. services on Sunday. He will also answer questions in the church’s sanctuary at 9:45 a.m.

For more information on Hovind and Creation Science Evangelism ministries, go to www.drdino.com


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Miscellaneous; Philosophy; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: add; creationist; crevolist; fauxcreationist; kenthovind; pavlovian
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Interestingly, I couldn't locate this appearance on the website, but I'm low on time, so I may have missed it. I find it kind of funny that Hovind has no problem accepting the existence of the Loch Ness Monster as a descendant of dinosaurs. There's a lot of mystery about reports like that (Nessie, the Lake Champlain monster, etc.) but to accept them as hard evidence of dinosaur descendants living among us...hm.
1 posted on 05/18/2006 11:15:09 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger
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To: DaveLoneRanger
>>>>"God just laid it on my heart to expose the lies of evolution,"


What an idiot! This guy is buying the left's propaganda that you have to reject evolution to believe in God. I think that any intelligent and well-read human being has no grounds to reject either.
2 posted on 05/18/2006 11:18:07 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (Black holes are where God divided by zero. - Steven Wright)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

There was an expedition that was done to the Congo by some Young-Earth group to try and find Mokele Mbembe (a Lochness type thing), since by showing it exists they would prove people lived with dinosaurs.


3 posted on 05/18/2006 11:24:31 AM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: .cnI redruM
This is one of those issues that just makes me cringe, drunk uncle sort of thing..

It is a shame that the IDers have made this an Atheist vs Believers kind of thing, I think that was very dishonest of them. On the other hand, the left has been making it a Evolutionist vs Morons thing, oh well, it all comes down to ad hominem these days...

4 posted on 05/18/2006 11:25:21 AM PDT by Paradox (Removing all Doubt since 1998!)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Dave, the Loch Ness monster is a fairy tale. Do you believe in the Easter Bunny?


5 posted on 05/18/2006 11:27:20 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: DaveLoneRanger
What a silly man. The Raelians have already got the inside track on this whole ID thing.

6 posted on 05/18/2006 11:33:01 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Now does that mean that dogs and bananas have a common ancestor?"

Yes the do, about a billion years ago.
7 posted on 05/18/2006 11:36:25 AM PDT by Wacka
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To: DaveLoneRanger
Hovind, who calls himself Dr. Dino, also believes that Earth is only 6,000 years old and that dinosaurs and humans once coexisted.

He is confusing his belief with scientific evidence.

8 posted on 05/18/2006 11:37:26 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death--Heinlein)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Beyond mockery.


9 posted on 05/18/2006 11:43:18 AM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com)
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To: js1138

I still believe in Santa....

Did you read what I wrote? I never said I believed in Nessie (we're on a first-name basis, she and I).

Do I believe that we've found conclusive evidence of living dinosaur descendents, no. Do I believe that it's completely impossible that dinosaurs might still lurk somewhere on the globe? It would surprise me, but not shock me. Reports such as "mekele membe" (river-blocker) and other such things make me wonder. Creationism is not contingent to such ideas, but it would be more in line with creationist ideas than evolutionary ones. We found an entire colony of animals that were heretofore undiscovered; tree-hoping kangaroos mate? Obviously, we haven't explored the entire globe yet to say for sure that none exist.


10 posted on 05/18/2006 11:45:39 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("You're not going crazy! You're going sane in a crazy world!" - The Tick)
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To: .cnI redruM
May I suggest the article Argument: Evolution is compatible with Christian religion.
11 posted on 05/18/2006 11:46:45 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("You're not going crazy! You're going sane in a crazy world!" - The Tick)
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To: gcruse

Oh no, no, not at ALL.


12 posted on 05/18/2006 11:47:43 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("You're not going crazy! You're going sane in a crazy world!" - The Tick)
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To: Wacka

What did it look like...can you provide proof?


13 posted on 05/18/2006 11:48:20 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("You're not going crazy! You're going sane in a crazy world!" - The Tick)
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To: Coyoteman

Not confusing, blending. It's only forbidden for creationists, though. People who believe in evolution, a framework with foundations in or correlations with naturalism/humanism/atheism, are perfectly welcome.


14 posted on 05/18/2006 11:49:29 AM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("You're not going crazy! You're going sane in a crazy world!" - The Tick)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
What did it look like...can you provide proof?

'Nuff said.


15 posted on 05/18/2006 11:53:49 AM PDT by drjimmy
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To: DaveLoneRanger
If I misread your post as accepting Hovind's analysis, I apologize. I think people like Hovind cause a lot of unnecessary conflict among conservatives. They make it difficult to separate serious questions from drivel.

When Hovind and his like are associated with conservatives they embarrass us.
16 posted on 05/18/2006 11:55:17 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: DaveLoneRanger

I have living evidence of dinosaur descendants in my house: two Jardine's parrots. They're little T-rexes with feathers. When they're cranky and hungry, the resemblance is uncanny.


17 posted on 05/18/2006 11:56:31 AM PDT by HHFi
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To: Junior

Archive


18 posted on 05/18/2006 12:11:36 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Unresponsive to trolls, lunatics, fanatics, retards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: HHFi

So did dinosaurs go extinct, or did they evolve into birds? And what evidence do we have of that besides some similarities in physical features? We cannot observe something that allegedly happened millions of years before we were born, much less our human ancestors. We can only infer from evidence, which is sketchy at best.


19 posted on 05/18/2006 12:13:03 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("You're not going crazy! You're going sane in a crazy world!" - The Tick)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Evolve a sense of humor.


20 posted on 05/18/2006 12:15:29 PM PDT by HHFi
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To: DaveLoneRanger

The Loch Ness monster...


21 posted on 05/18/2006 12:21:23 PM PDT by non-anonymous
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Looks like man and dinosours lived together. Maybe even used them.

22 posted on 05/18/2006 12:24:39 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right....)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

"Hovind, who calls himself Dr. Dino, also believes that Earth is only 6,000 years old and that dinosaurs and humans once coexisted."

This man is 100% correct.


23 posted on 05/18/2006 12:24:45 PM PDT by RoadTest (The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? (Jer. 17:9))
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To: DaveLoneRanger

This guy is a breath of fresh air next to the liberals and democrats.


24 posted on 05/18/2006 12:44:23 PM PDT by mountainlyons (Hard core conservative)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

Just curious, when do the Young Earthers believe the first humans migrated to the Americas?


25 posted on 05/18/2006 12:47:17 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Bryan24
Looks like man and dinosours lived together. Maybe even used them.

OK. So what do these images prove?


26 posted on 05/18/2006 12:50:50 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death--Heinlein)
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To: Bryan24

That is only one of dozens of dicpictions of dinosaurs with men in ancient artifacts and drawings.

The pallate of king Narmer of egypt is another famous one.

Then there are those imfamous dino footprints and human footprints in texas -- people in the eighties discreted those has being fake and in the 90's a dig was allow and more dino prints were uncovered and another set of human prints were found as well.

There are coal beds that are 3000 and five thousand years old with over a hundred years of reporting and photos of human artifacts mixed in the coal.

Those who are curious can view hundreds of photos of these finds and artifacts and the orginal articles printed all online.

There is a cool book call the names of God about boulders in the US southwest and in africa and the middle east and other places all written with the same hierglyphs and these mention early bible names and God and other cool things. their website contain photos of these stones and mentions their locations and offers some translations and invites amatures to send in hierglyphs from other stones.









27 posted on 05/18/2006 12:55:48 PM PDT by Rocketman (Study to show thyself approved . .)
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To: Bryan24
Do people really fall for this stuff?

All you need to make an Ica stone, is one of these:

and one of these:


28 posted on 05/18/2006 12:59:00 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: Bryan24

Is that thing supposed to be a triceratops or a stegosaur?


29 posted on 05/18/2006 1:07:33 PM PDT by Virginia-American
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To: Rocketman
Proof!


30 posted on 05/18/2006 1:07:55 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death--Heinlein)
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To: js1138

Actually evolution belongs with the fairy tales too...

http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/IntheBeginningTOC.html

From this perspective evolution (macro) has more holes in it than swiss cheese.


31 posted on 05/18/2006 1:09:57 PM PDT by BrandtMichaels
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To: BrandtMichaels
From this perspective evolution (macro) has more holes in it than swiss cheese.

Just one hole: the sphincter.

32 posted on 05/18/2006 1:14:07 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: RoadTest
This man is 100% correct. Care to back that up with one...just one irrefutable FACT?
And please look up the definition of fact before answering.
33 posted on 05/18/2006 1:16:25 PM PDT by newcats (Natural Born Skeptic)
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To: BrandtMichaels
http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/IntheBeginningTOC.html

From this perspective evolution (macro) has more holes in it than swiss cheese.

You believe what creationscience.com has to say about evolution? Talk about "more holes in it than swiss [sic] cheese." I checked out Chapter 26, the Ape-men section of your link.

Talk about half truths, distortions, and outright omissions!

34 posted on 05/18/2006 1:17:39 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death--Heinlein)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
believes that Earth is only 6,000 years old

I guess he's unmoved by carbon dating...

35 posted on 05/18/2006 1:25:25 PM PDT by bruin66 (Time: Nature's way of keeping everything from happening at once.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger

It looked like a single-celled eukaryote.

Come on, you ought to know that.


36 posted on 05/18/2006 1:58:51 PM PDT by ahayes (Yes, I have a devious plot. No, you may not know what it is.)
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To: Larry Lucido

Some believe that North America was once part of a huge continent that fragmented in the time of Peleg around when the Tower of Babel was built. So they didn't have to migrate, they just drifted thousands of miles away.

Yes, 'tis true.


37 posted on 05/18/2006 2:02:15 PM PDT by ahayes (Yes, I have a devious plot. No, you may not know what it is.)
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To: spetznaz

The shark has not changed in millions of years.

Same as it ever was.

So, is the shark a 'perfect' creature?
Evolution not needed?

Questions, Questions.


38 posted on 05/18/2006 2:12:37 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I will go down with this ship, and I won't put my hands up in surrender.)
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To: Coyoteman

That there were creatures of abomination which God destroyed?


39 posted on 05/18/2006 2:14:02 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I will go down with this ship, and I won't put my hands up in surrender.)
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To: ahayes

We are all the result of the collective efforts of single-celled Eukaryotes.

Our consciousness is the result of the collective conscious of each Eukaryote.


40 posted on 05/18/2006 2:16:00 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I will go down with this ship, and I won't put my hands up in surrender.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
They made a movie out of this: "When Dinosaurs Ruled The Earth."

Victoria Vetri. Whatta babe.

41 posted on 05/18/2006 2:20:22 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: DaveLoneRanger
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Is he still providing tax advice?

42 posted on 05/18/2006 2:28:36 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: HHFi

Hard to tell who's joking and who's not. This is a claim that evolutionists take seriously. Sometimes, smiles help show what's a joke. You moron. :-)


43 posted on 05/18/2006 2:32:49 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("You're not going crazy! You're going sane in a crazy world!" - The Tick)
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To: DaveLoneRanger
So did dinosaurs go extinct, or did they evolve into birds?

Both.

44 posted on 05/18/2006 2:32:55 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: Bryan24

I have a collection of pre-Columbian ceramics. I'll sell it to you and throw in the Golden Gate bridge free.


45 posted on 05/18/2006 2:34:52 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: Coyoteman; gobucks; mikeus_maximus; MeanWestTexan; JudyB1938; isaiah55version11_0; bondserv; ...
So the lurid drawings of fantasy creatures prove that if we find ancient drawings/carvings, it's just out of their imagination? We must suppose that ancient man had an incredible imagination to draw creatures that look amazingly like the fossils their descendents would unearth centuries later!



There is other evidence found within the article What happened to the dinosaurs? and I quote:
In the film, The Great Dinosaur Mystery, a number of dragon accounts are presented:

* A Sumerian story dating back to 2,000 B.C. or more tells of a hero named Gilgamesh, who, when he went to fell cedars in a remote forest, encountered a huge vicious dragon which he slew, cutting off its head as a trophy.

* When Alexander the Great (c. 330 B.C.) and his soldiers marched into India, they found that the Indians worshipped huge hissing reptiles that they kept in caves.

* China is renowned for its dragon stories, and dragons are prominent on Chinese pottery, embroidery and carvings.

* England has its story of St George, who slew a dragon that lived in a cave.

* There is the story of a 10th century Irishman who wrote of his encounter with what appears to have been a Stegosaurus.

* In the 1500s, a European scientific book, Historia Animalium, listed several animals that we would call dinosaurs, as still alive. A well-known naturalist of the time, Ulysses Aldrovandus, recorded an encounter between a peasant named Baptista and a dragon whose description fits that of the small dinosaur Tanystropheus. The encounter was on 13 May 1572, near Bologna in Italy, and the peasant killed the dragon.
"Dragons" are likely dinosaurs, since the word dinosaur wasn't invented until the 19th century.
46 posted on 05/18/2006 2:44:46 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("You're not going crazy! You're going sane in a crazy world!" - The Tick)
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To: Coyoteman

Ouch...is that a horse-hoof to the crotch? OW...


47 posted on 05/18/2006 2:45:39 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("You're not going crazy! You're going sane in a crazy world!" - The Tick)
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To: newcats

While I agree with you that no one is 100% correct, Kent Hovind is not someone upon whom I place my trust.

A question. Your tagline says you're a natural skeptic. Are you skeptical of what the mainstream scientific community tells you?


48 posted on 05/18/2006 2:47:35 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("You're not going crazy! You're going sane in a crazy world!" - The Tick)
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To: Coyoteman

Choke* Sputter* Gasp*

So in a society where they had living horses and men and legends of this combo -- and artists create the perfect replica of a horse and man.

And in the case of these men in South America that have a replica of a triceratops with a man saddled on it -- which he could have never seen . . .

So then the dremel man says "Ah it is fake."

Well it was only in 1995 that it was first reported that dinosaurs had skin on the bone plates --no one ever drew them with scale marks

Look again . . .

The "fake" predates 1995 many of these "fakes" were first dug up in the 1920's and 30's and more than a few show skin marks on the bone plates




49 posted on 05/18/2006 2:48:15 PM PDT by Rocketman (Study to show thyself approved . .)
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To: ahayes

Neither of us "know" this since it is not observable, repeatable or testable. You're making an educated guess.


50 posted on 05/18/2006 2:48:52 PM PDT by DaveLoneRanger ("You're not going crazy! You're going sane in a crazy world!" - The Tick)
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