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Iowa Co. Hopes to Make Gasoline Obsolete
AP on Yahoo ^ | 5/19/06 | David Pitt - ap

Posted on 05/19/2006 10:01:17 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: MainFrame65

Yes, and I have posted numerous times that the first change in direction will be to synthesize gasoline from coal. Germany did during World War II and South Africa is doing it today.


61 posted on 05/20/2006 9:07:12 AM PDT by StACase
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To: StACase

I think you and I might have exchanged posts on this before. My point was that I believe hydrogen is a boondoggle - a waste of time and resources. The only way it could work would be tank exchange, which would require an entire new infrastructure.

The one technology breakthrough that would reduce our consumption would be to find a way to put our trains, trucks, and cars on the electric grid, at least on major routes. That would require changing to electric-drive hybrid vehicles, electrification on major routes, and some kind of trolley system for vehicles, along with a metering system to pay for usage.

Your vehicle could charge its batteries from the grid, or from its on-board generator when needed, when you were traveling away from the grid.


62 posted on 05/20/2006 11:07:04 AM PDT by MainFrame65
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To: MainFrame65
High priced gasoline will force change. Electric or electric hybrid cars? I have a short commute and would be interested if one were at the "Geo" end of the price scale (-:

Hydrogen most certainly isn't for cars. But as an energy transfer system could it be more efficient than electricity? A fuel cell in every house? A heating plant that exhausts water vapor and nothing else? A distribution system that for the most part exists as natural gas lines that don't lose the huge percentage in transmission that electricity does? An energy transfer system that can have the production located near the energy source i.e., hydroelectric, solar or atomic? An energy transfer system that can be stored as opposed to electricity that must have expensive peak demand capacity?

Drawbacks? The initial energy transfer if you start with water can't be very good since half the energy goes into free oxygen. If you start with natural gas - well what would be the point?

63 posted on 05/20/2006 12:18:30 PM PDT by StACase
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To: SierraWasp; 1Old Pro; aardvark1; a_federalist; abner; alaskanfan; .38sw; 185JHP; 1FreeAmerican; ...
" people are getting so desperate to believe in anything to replace gasoline that it's literally making them crazy!!! "

You can't scream that loud enough to suit me. Hydrogen as a fuel is insane. There is so little energy available, and it takes as much or more energy to isolate the hydrogen in the first place, that makes hydrogen a net waster of energy.

The purpose of all this is to separate people from their personal mobility and freedom. Immobilized people are easier to control.

64 posted on 05/20/2006 5:40:18 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: TexasTransplant

Maybe you were right, just a bit early...


65 posted on 05/20/2006 5:44:54 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: TexasTransplant
Hydrogen is good for Energy Cells but it destroys regular Internal Combustion Engines, even regular Gas Stoves run on Hydrogen fail in just a few years."

Right on TT,. hydrogen is the world's most invasive acid in a combustion cycle. It destroys all metals.

66 posted on 05/20/2006 5:44:59 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Atheist and Fool are synonyms; Evolution is where fools hide from the sunrise)
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To: TexasTransplant
"Hydrogen is good for Energy Cells but it destroys regular Internal Combustion Engines..."

That's my take on it as well.

Just what is the engine octane rating (as opposed to the "research" value) of hydrogen? I was under the impression that it only had a value of 60.

67 posted on 05/20/2006 7:38:03 PM PDT by nightdriver
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To: preacher
I think Ford also made 6 cylinder engines for farm tractors.
I guess it wouldn't be feasible to put jet engines in cars.
68 posted on 05/20/2006 8:31:00 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Right Wing Assault
I see.
Good observation.

" The iron in the cylinder walls is changed by the hydrogen, becomes more brittle, and it cracks "
Not good at all, nope, don't want that to happen in a engine.
69 posted on 05/20/2006 8:33:00 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: editor-surveyor; FOG724
"The purpose of all this is to separate people from their personal mobility and freedom. Immobilized people are easier to control."

There you go AGAIN!!! Waxing profound and going oh so deep!!!

But all kidding aside, you speak the truth! And soon we'll all be in dire straights if we don't find ways to secure our freedom through mobility... quickly, even if we must re-learn hiking and walking which is way more primitive than I would enjoy!!!

Only the EnvironMentalist/Pagan dirt worshipping Luddite creeple people want us back on our feet, grinding our nuts on the rocks like a bunch of ignorant savages!!!

70 posted on 05/20/2006 9:23:09 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Without consistent core conservatives in charge, the GOP is fast becoming the Gelded Old Party!!!)
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To: editor-surveyor

BTTT


71 posted on 05/21/2006 3:13:46 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: editor-surveyor; NormsRevenge

"Somebody needs to do something now."

'Somebody' needed to do something decades ago. *Rolleyes* Why energy independence is so HARD for our Government/Legislators to figure out is beyond me! It's not like there aren't a hundred great ideas posted here every d@mn day! Rush uses us as Show Prep...why don't our CongressCritters use us in the same manner? ;)

But I thought the new "craze" was Ethonol? From what I've read, we're going to tear up all of The Heartland and plant corn and soybeans and sawgrass and sugar beets to fuel our cars. ;)

"Immobilized people are easier to control."

Exactly. The Socialists want to shove us all back into little boxes in The City, packed in like rats.


72 posted on 05/21/2006 6:22:33 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Years ago, there used to be something called a "carbide engine", which was fueled by dropping pieces of Calcium Carbide in water, and collecting the fumes that came up from the surface of the water, then using these fumes to fuel an internal-combustion engine.

I guess the reaction was the formation of acetylene gas from the carbide as it combined with water, and the other byproduct was Calcium Hydroxide. The acetylene mixed with the oxygen in air within a collection chanber, no attempt to use any kind of carburetor, the mixture was just sucked into the intake manifold.

Calcium Carbide was some kind of byproduct in the reduction of iron ore in the presence of coke and limestone.


73 posted on 05/21/2006 12:35:36 PM PDT by alloysteel
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To: hootiebird

"Now let's hope we don't get $20 a barrel oilor lower that will
effectively kill it."

Drill California, on and off shore and execute it immediatly!!!!

It doesn't deserve a slow death.


74 posted on 05/21/2006 4:35:22 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: NormsRevenge
hopes to meet Environmental Protection Agency automotive 2007 emission standards.

Crisis in a nutshell. Edison had no EPA. His inventions were at first crude and inefficient. His first light bulb was very inefficient. Gradually it was perfected.... wthout an EPA. True of most inventors.

Some think government is the solution. Some think government is the problem. - RR

75 posted on 05/22/2006 10:33:07 AM PDT by spintreebob
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To: PatrickHenry; b_sharp; neutrality; anguish; SeaLion; Fractal Trader; grjr21; bitt; KevinDavis; ...
I bookmarked this thread when I was out of town and just remembered it. The ping's obviously a bit late, but I think it's a very intriguing article, so here it is!

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76 posted on 05/25/2006 8:55:34 PM PDT by AntiGuv ("..I do things for political expediency.." - Sen. John McCain on FOX News)
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To: TexasTransplant
Hydrogen embrittlement is a big problem for most unprotected metals and organic based plastics. Also Hydrogen molecules are real small and will leak out of the seals, posing fire/explosion hazards. There is a reason they call it "rocket science."
77 posted on 05/25/2006 9:08:13 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: NormsRevenge

How about a vehicle with a toilet in place of the driver's seat? Runs on your own crap.


78 posted on 05/26/2006 8:05:22 AM PDT by strategofr (H-mentor:"pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it"Hillary's Secret War,Poe,p.198)
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To: anymouse
>>>>>"Hydrogen embrittlement is a big problem for most unprotected metals and organic based plastics"<<<<

I got fairly exited about Ceramic Engines back in those days, 1975, (being heavily invested in "Roger Billings Hydrogen Homestead", the man is a Fraud and it is a shame, he set back Research and implementation of Hydrogen by years with his shameful pseudo Science hype)

I still think that Hydrogen is viable fuel, just not yet.

TT
79 posted on 05/26/2006 6:19:35 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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