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To: Darkwolf377
"I've noticed some of the static here has quieted as people realize that, indeed, the President IS giving us some of what we want."

He's still pushing the damned amnesty/path to citizenship, isn't he. If that happens, none of the rest of his supposed "concessions" matter at all, because as soon as the massive crop of illegals are able to vote, we will have an irreversible shift to total socialism in the USA. The Republican party will disappear and the Democrats will gain permanent control. We will become, in essence, Mexico.

74 posted on 05/21/2006 6:02:39 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: Wonder Warthog
I have been noticing articles around the web where illegals and their enablers are moaning that over half of them will not get any sort of work permit, let alone citizenship. The *path to citizenship* will take years for only some of them. Other articles moan about those who did not meet the 1986 requirements and never became legal. We survived and prospered as a nation.

As for the schools, I live in an area with very few Mexicans. Our demographics are forcing school consolidations and shutdowns, as there simply aren't enough kids. In a town of under 5k people and a county under 35k, we have 5 private schools, 3 of them Christian and scads of homeschoolers. The ability of illegals to use the schools depends upon a SCOTUS ruling, which only Congress can overcome with a law that cannot be ruled unconstitutional. If every single illegal became a voter tomorrow, they would then be paying taxes. As it is, even if they are renting, they are paying property taxes. Being human, they will not be happy if their taxes increase and their children will not necessarily go on to have a lot of children. It seems to me that the public education system is already a mess. Perhaps overloading it with 1st generation citizens will bring it down, end it and Americans will continue to shift to homeschool and private school. Perhaps not, but it seems to me that neither scenario is a guarantee.

As of July 1, 2006, only citizens can receive Medicaid. While ERs still have to provide services to everyone who enters, that is a Federal law and applies to all of us, in every state. Perhaps food stamps and general assistance are extremely generous in the SW border states and in the blue cities. I know that here, in a blue state, the food stamp grant is about $80/month in our generous county and the amount varies from county to county. Full disability for people who did not earn above $15k/annually on the books is only about $500/month. Section 8 housing grants limit rent to 1/3 of income in any one month and are reviewed monthly. If the working recipient gets food stamps, they do not get the Earned Income tax credit. If someone on disability works on the books in any given month and earns over the minimum allowed, they get a bill from their Medicaid provider for the difference. I know families who had extreme medical problems and received these minimal amounts while their kids were under 18. They lose those benefits when the kids turn 19, if they go to college. No earned income at all once the kids are independent. Even SSI turns out to be a very small amount of money, about $250 or less a month for an impoverished senior last time I heard. The result of this is that many people are only on disability for a short period of time and have every incentive to get back into the workforce. Yes, some people have 4-5 kids and no marriage and receive entitlements until the last kid leaves. Many have generational dependency. Some communities are dysfunctional. But not all are and not every individual in these communities continues the pattern. Many die young. It just isn't a straight line increase into infinity and, of course, it cannot be, as those of us who work and pay taxes are also aging. Eventually, all cows go dry.

Polls I have seen show that legal voters of Hispanic origin still split their vote. There are Hispanic groups, such as You Don't Speak For Me, who do not support the illegals.

Bush can only use the bully pulpit. Congress makes the laws and the SCOTUS is the only branch that can overturn them. The trick is to pass constitutional laws and confirm constructionist judges.

JMO, but if Canada could elect a Conservative (by their standards) government, I doubt that true socialism will take hold here. I am not so sanguine about some of the border states and areas with large blue cities, but the NE blue states are losing more taxpayers than they are gaining illegals and dependents and will lose Electoral College votes by 2011. Notice that the left is trying to gin up support to dump the EC.

Our system is difficult to change, thanks to the wisdom of the Founders. People being people, there will not be a 100% support for anything in any demographic. We survived 8 years of Clinton. We survived FDR and 20 or so years of entrenched Soviets inside the government. We survived LBJ's Great Society. It is just as likely that we will survive whatever 2006 and 2008 bring, as difficult as it could become.
107 posted on 05/21/2006 6:47:02 AM PDT by reformedliberal
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