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Crusaders become saints after Muslim complaints [UK]
The Sunday Times ^ | May 21, 2006 | Marc Horne

Posted on 05/21/2006 11:19:55 AM PDT by ncountylee

THE Crusaders, the Christian youth organisation, is having to change its identity after more than 100 years because of claims that its name is anti-Islamic, Marc Horne writes.

The evangelical movement, with more than 20,000 members and championed by Sir Cliff Richard, will be known as the Urban Saints from January as schools and charities said its name might be offensive to Muslims. They claimed it was too closely associated with the crusades, the military campaigns in the 11th and 13th centuries to recapture Jerusalem and the Holy Land from the Muslims.

“Our new identity is part of a recognition that we are now a 21st-century organisation and are not still stuck in the last century,” said Matt Summerfield, executive director. “There are some people who love the name Crusaders, but we recognise that others get very offended by it, as they think we are harking back to the historical crusades.”

Some schools and fundraising groups had rebuffed approaches from Crusaders because of the “emotive” nature of their name, he said.

“We have had situations with certain schools who felt they couldn’t run clubs under our name because they have a number of Muslim pupils. People are very wary these days about the possibility of being portrayed as politically incorrect and insensitive to other faiths.” But the name change would not alter the Christian character of the organisation.

Rob Rawson, director of Crusaders Scotland, said the name Urban Saints was more relevant.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antichristian; christianstudents; crusaders; dhimmi; eurabia; europeanchristians; evangelicals; pc; ukmuslims
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1 posted on 05/21/2006 11:19:57 AM PDT by ncountylee
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The "victims" continue their assault on Christian values and Christian organizations and gain yet another surrender.
2 posted on 05/21/2006 11:20:37 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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We're doomed...


3 posted on 05/21/2006 11:21:36 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: ncountylee
THE Crusaders, the Christian youth organisation, is having to change its identity after more than 100 years because of claims that its name is anti-Islamic, Marc Horne writes.

I suppose since Islam is anti-Christan, can we petition to have them change their name.

4 posted on 05/21/2006 11:22:04 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: ncountylee
Maybe Jihadests would have been OK?
5 posted on 05/21/2006 11:22:18 AM PDT by PeteB570 (Sharia. Coming to a town near you.)
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To: ncountylee

Right up to the moment our heads are being cut off we don't want to be insensitive, do we?


6 posted on 05/21/2006 11:27:11 AM PDT by texas_mrs
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I'm offended by the name Islam. I insist they change to a more descriptive name. Head Choppers International, a wholly owned subsidiary of Bombs R Us.
7 posted on 05/21/2006 11:27:12 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: ncountylee

Yeah. They should have changed their name to the Dhimmis.


8 posted on 05/21/2006 11:27:25 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: ncountylee
Well, then, we shall just start a more aware and modern group with the ols name.

I, myself would like to join the new "Crusaders", and I don't give a royal flip what muslims think.

If it offends them, more the satisfaction.
Did I mention I hate muslims?

9 posted on 05/21/2006 11:29:03 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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Hilarious! They are worried about being percieved as modern... Funny that, because Muslims are also worried about being perceived as modern, but for the opposite reason. They want to drag the world BACK to the time before the Crusades.


10 posted on 05/21/2006 11:29:54 AM PDT by navyguy
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To: ncountylee
How about "Infidel Swine"? Catchy, multicultural, and would fit nicely on a team jacket!

As each one of these stories appear, more and more I am beginning to blame the Brits for this BS. Do they even remember that London was blown up by these nuts last year?
They put a commie like Red Ken in, and he has Hugo Chavez to tea. Elton, no SIR Elton, got married to his bottom half, and it was the biggest event of the year. The sun is sinking lower over a once great nation...
11 posted on 05/21/2006 11:30:04 AM PDT by ishabibble
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Elton, no SIR Elton, got married to his bottom half, and it was the biggest event of the year.

No, I think the "bride" was the "top" man. Ugh.

12 posted on 05/21/2006 11:33:21 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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The more I learn about "these people (?)", the more I am convinced that we should just bomb them all to hell and be done with it.


13 posted on 05/21/2006 11:33:24 AM PDT by svcw
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To: ncountylee

Gee, can Christians start dictating to Moslems now what they can and can't do?


14 posted on 05/21/2006 11:38:06 AM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: ncountylee

Better yet, The Piggies. For a mascot they can have Mr. Porker a great big pig, and let's see what else....


15 posted on 05/21/2006 11:38:17 AM PDT by MAexile (Bats left, votes right)
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Crusaders become Saints

Doesn't seem far enough to me. If you want to appease the Moslems properly, the name needs to be changed to Swines.

EIGHTH GRADE

"As cited in Ibn Abbas: The apes are Jews, the people of the Sabbath; while the swine are the Christians, the infidels of the communion of Jesus."

16 posted on 05/21/2006 11:40:03 AM PDT by Sabramerican (Bandar Bush in 08: Continue the Legacy)
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To: ncountylee

Stop Jihad now. Jidah is not the answer. What if they gave a Jihad and no one came?


17 posted on 05/21/2006 11:41:59 AM PDT by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: Unam Sanctam
Michelle Malkin had an article a few weeks back about how priests in Belgium are letting homeless Muslims live in churches and even covering statues and crosses so as not to be offensive.

Applying Christian values when dealing with Muslims may cause the fall of Christianity.
18 posted on 05/21/2006 11:42:35 AM PDT by BW2221
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I suggest there will eventually come a tipping point at which the western world gets fed up. It would be a much more peaceful paradigm shift if it occurs soon. The later it occurs, the bloodier and more outrageous it will be.

I am reminded of the Christians in Nigeria who were slow to awaken to the muslims violence. When they finally did get roused, the muslims high-tailed it out of town. Muslims are cowards who think they are the only ones base enough to use violence.

Infidels may be slow to anger, but we are building up our rage. God help the innocent muslims (if any actually exist) when our rage is finally released.

19 posted on 05/21/2006 11:45:36 AM PDT by Dark Skies
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To: Unam Sanctam
Gee, can Christians start dictating to Moslems now what they can and can't do?

Well, I can't fault the muslims. Like poisonous snakes, that's what they are, that's what they do.

I do despair at non-muslim groups of all kinds collapsing under threats.

20 posted on 05/21/2006 11:47:30 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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