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they are between a rock and a hard place (not that I favor the amnesty mind you).

while its true that alot of white and african american Democrats do not favor amnesty, or the kinds of new immigrant numbers this bill would allow in - are those blocks willing to change their votes and go republican over this issue?

The Dems are clearly betting that their current base, will not switch parties over amnesty and new mass immigration.

Which side is right?

The Dems are clearly betting that their current base, will not switch parties over amnesty and new mass immigration.

It's a safe bet. Traditional Dem voters will convince themselves that without the pressure their party put on the GOP this amnesty - a huge addition their precious multicultural soup - wouldn't have happened.

Also, a large chunk of these new citizens are natural Democrats -- 29% of all illegal aliens are on welfare. You think their welfare state mentality will vanish after they become citizens? Not a chance. They know full well the Dems are the party of handouts.

The non liberal white Democratic voters are in the most danager of bolting the Democratic party, should a viable 3rd party alternative emerge in 2008. While this contingent has been shrinking for decades, they still tilted the upper midwest + PA towrds Kerry in 2004, and they largely voted Democrat because of their fustration with free trade, but on cultural issues, they are conservatives. For blacks, they are so entrenched into Democratic politics that I seriously doubt they will vote less than 85% Democratic for another generation unless there is a 2nd great depression that can be blamed on Democrats.

But the way I figure it, should a Lou Dobbs style canidate emerge in 2008 with proper funding, that runs on a anti immigrationa and anti free trade(anti globalist) platform, it will play havoc all over the political spectrum.

"they are between a rock and a hard place (not that I favor the amnesty mind you).

while its true that alot of white and african american Democrats do not favor amnesty, or the kinds of new immigrant numbers this bill would allow in - are those blocks willing to change their votes and go republican over this issue?

The Dems are clearly betting that their current base, will not switch parties over amnesty and new mass immigration.

Which side is right?"

We (Republicans) had the majority. We didn't need Democrats to change sides we only needed to retain the majority who elected a Republican House, Senate and President. The idiots in Washington have squandered the majority we had by worrying more about appeasing Ted Kennedy than they did about their conservative base. With the millions of new illegal alien Democrats it will no longer make any difference. The Republicans have slit their own throat.

I suggest politicians add a no or yes to their R or D..No meaning no to Anarchy, Amnesty and end of the USA, Yes for yes to Anarchy,Amnesty and end of the USA..simple huh?