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Faux Ranger MacBeth: "I'm Proud Of My Battle Buddies"
Sweetness & Light ^ | May 23, 2006 | N/A

Posted on 05/23/2006 9:32:54 AM PDT by Sam Hill

Here’s a “column” Jesse MacBeth wrote for the Arizona State University's student online paper, the Web Devil. It is a response to an earlier ASU article which can be found here.

Anyone who has seen his video interviews, heard his (probably paid) anti-war speeches or read his anti-war screeds, maybe surprised at his earlier attitude towards US soldiers:

Guest Column: I never wanted to protest

by Jesse Macbeth
Special to The State Press
Friday, April 23, 2004

There are several things I would like to mention that Lucia Bill and Brian Clapp of The State Press failed to mention or distorted to fit their opinions.

But before that, let me tell you why I protest. I don’t protest for the homeless people because I know most of them are homeless because that is the way they choose to live. They like that life. I am doing my protest against Coffee Plantation on the basis that they banned me from their property for the sole reason that I was in my military uniform, in case some of the boneheads who own Coffee Plantation and those in the press who advocate for them have forgotten. This is America. We are still at war. Soldiers and civilians are still dying. So why would someone boot an American soldier who is drinking coffee that he paid for and talking quietly to friends?

They booted me on my appearance alone. If they do not like green or BDUs, then that is their problem. If they don’t like American servicemen, then why are they in America? Yes, I told the security guard and the employee who said I couldn’t be there because of my uniform to f— off. And I will tell them that again and anyone who bans an American serviceman who is peacefully drinking bought product from their store. I would understand if I was being loud and disturbing people, if I stank so bad they were losing customers or if I was disturbing their business in any way. But I was doing none of those.

I understand they’re upset about the homeless bathing and panhandling in the store. I would be upset about that, too. But again, my problem with them and the Free to Camp Coalition’s problem are way different. I would gladly sit down with Coffee Plantation and discuss a way we can resolve this, because I’ve really got better things to do than protest. I am on the verge of being reshipped out. If Coffee Plantation will agree to change some things, then I will no longer protest. Some of the things include not banning people based on appearance or social status. If people are bathing in your bathroom, then ban them. But if they are paying customers and they are quietly sitting down and enjoying a drink like everyone else and you ban them because you don’t like what they’re wearing, then that is not right. If they were worried and customers were complaining, then I might understand.

I served in Iraq 16 months as a U.S. Army Ranger. Coming back home and being treated that way angered me. Coffee Plantation is not the enemy or my enemy. The owners who discriminate are the enemy. I used to go and hang out there all the time. I would play chess and buy food there all day sometimes.

Lucia Bill and Brian Clapp, it works better if you print the whole truth, not shape it to fit your opinion or Coffee Plantation’s. Your column is just another example of how the media mistreats the people. I love America. I would fight a million wars and die a million times to ensure the safety of America and the American people. So if that makes me a jerk or a socialistic pig, then so be it. I have a lot of pride in my country, my service in my uniform and all of my battle buddies out there right now fighting and dying. I won’t set that aside for anything. If Coffee Plantation wants to sit and talk to resolve this, I will gladly.

I won’t discuss the day I’m being shipped off. But we need to arrange talks ASAP if Coffee Plantation wants to talk.

There is no evidence that MacBeth was subsequently shipped anywhere, except perhaps to jail for credit card fraud.

But compare MacBeth's remarks here with those he made in a subsequent interview with the Socialist Alternative:

The War the Media is Not Reporting — An Iraqi Veteran Speaks Out

Apr 26, 2006
By Justice

Jesse Macbeth, formerly a Special Forces Ranger in Iraq, is now active with Iraq Veterans Against the War in Tacoma, Washington. The Rangers are elite units sent door-to-door in Iraq to combat the insurgency. They were also sent into Fallujah to crush all opposition to the occupation of that city. Justice recently interviewed Jesse.

How did you end up in the military?
I grew up on the streets. I got into trouble for fighting. The same judge that I’d been dealing with my whole life told me that I wouldn’t have to do adult time if I signed up for the military immediately. Sometimes I kinda wish I went to jail instead.

How did you become a Special Forces Ranger?
Basic training was easy for me. Growing up on the streets, I was used to running from cops. I was used to not eating for days. I got picked to go to Ranger School.

What did your division do?
I was in the Third Ranger Battalion. Our job was to strike fear in the hearts of the Iraqi people.

We would go into people’s houses and plow down entire families. We would interrogate people. If we didn’t like the answers that they gave, then we would kill the youngest child. If they gave more answers that we didn’t like, then we’d move on to the rest of the family. They could’ve been innocent people.

We would leave the bodies in the streets and blame it on the Shi’ites or the Sunnis. [In Fallujah] we were ordered to go into mosques and slaughter people while they were praying. I won’t go into full detail because I’m still haunted by the memories.

What was the assault on Fallujah like?
Fallujah is where we slaughtered people in mosques. We provoked the people there. Some people escaped from the mosques and saw us. We would dig holes and leave mass graves of children, women, and old men. We were ordered to let people die on the street. We were told that the Geneva Convention means nothing to us in combat.

We were ordered to fire on peaceful protesters in Fallujah. Somebody threw a rock at us, and an officer said that he thought it was a grenade. Then we were ordered to fire. When it’s daylight in Iraq, it’s daylight! Nobody really thought it was a grenade.

What medals did you get in Iraq?
I got a lot. I got a purple heart. Half of them, I don’t remember. I got five or six medals just for landing. I got a bronze star.

What injuries did you get?
I got stabbed many times. I got shrapnel in my knee. I got shot in the back.

What do you think is the role of the U.S. in Iraq?
The military is terrorists there. Soldiers thought we were going to fight terrorism, but we became the terrorists. We were told we were going to liberate the country and find weapons of mass destruction. The real aim is to have the U.S. own the country. The U.S. wants oil.

How has the government treated you since you got back?
Like shit. I hate them. I’m not gonna be a terrorist or anything, but I hate them. They killed my battle brothers. They used me. They messed me up. They didn’t care about me. They turned me into a beast, a machine.

What Veteran’s benefits have you gotten?
I ain’t getting nothing. A card and that’s it.

Where do you work?
I’m an Iraq vet, and I work at Wendy’s.

How did you get involved in IVAW?
Veteran’s Affairs told me they had no money for me. I always knew the war was fucked up, but that motivated me to say something about it. The government throws us away. They did the same thing after Vietnam.

Why do you think people should get involved in the antiwar movement?
Because it’s gotta stop. Innocent people are getting killed. Bush says we have to stay the course and that it’s hard work. Bush doesn’t know what work is.

Anything else you want to say?
Yeah. The news here is controlled. The military lets information out that serves their purposes. We slaughtered a sovereign nation. Reporters got killed.

When I was growing up, everyone thought I’d be a criminal, but they were wrong. I’m gonna be one of the leaders of the revolution.

But who can believe that a man who had been through what MacBeth claims to have been through would spend so much time “protesting” rousting bums (like himself) from the johns of a coffee shop? (Which was probably the real cause of this "protest.")

It is just hilarious that the leftwing lunatics fell for this obvious fraud.

But they never could resist liars.


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It was ever thus.
1 posted on 05/23/2006 9:32:56 AM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: Howlin; Deb; kcvl; Mo1; Enchante; nopardons; veronica; KJC1; stocksthatgoup; mewzilla; backhoe; ...

More on this lunatic.


2 posted on 05/23/2006 9:34:19 AM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: Sam Hill
We would go into people’s houses and plow down entire families. We would interrogate people. If we didn’t like the answers that they gave, then we would kill the youngest child. If they gave more answers that we didn’t like, then we’d move on to the rest of the family. They could’ve been innocent people.

This guy fights from his couch for the nation of Tarantinovia.

3 posted on 05/23/2006 9:35:26 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Sam Hill
How did you become a Special Forces Ranger?

"I got to be a super-duper combat Ranger after I played a video game and this guy in a cool car came up to me and said I was a good killer, so I should go with him and I was like, what the hell?, so I went with him and now I'm a badass dood."

4 posted on 05/23/2006 9:38:06 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this plan just might work.)
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To: Sam Hill

When I was growing up, everyone thought I’d be a criminal, but they were wrong. I’m gonna be one of the leaders of the revolution.

Oh ho, and THEY were right after all!


5 posted on 05/23/2006 9:38:21 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Sam Hill
I grew up on the streets. I got into trouble for fighting. The same judge that I’d been dealing with my whole life told me that I wouldn’t have to do adult time if I signed up for the military immediately. Sometimes I kinda wish I went to jail instead.

Then he left his wife in Baltimore, Jack and went out for a ride and never came back.

6 posted on 05/23/2006 9:39:36 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Sam Hill
The damage this traitor has done to America cannot be undone. The truth will not stop the rumor that will propagate this fiction into urban legend. A very public trial on sedition followed by a very public apology would go a long way.

Can we execute a citizens arrest on this creature for sedition?

7 posted on 05/23/2006 9:41:24 AM PDT by Ben Mugged (If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in English, thank a soldier.)
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To: Future Snake Eater

A Job Americans Won't Do, Even at $34 an Hour
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1634437/posts

there ya go, Rump Ranger. take your fake self to go get this fake job
in this fake article and shut your whining pie hole.


8 posted on 05/23/2006 9:45:41 AM PDT by Rakkasan1 (Illegal immigrants are just undocumented friends you haven't met yet!)
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To: Sam Hill
Boy, this guy is so lame, he STARTS off making mistakes.... you don't get picked for the Rangers, you must volunteer.

Would some Freeper with connections to either the VA or with Army personnel, shut this guy up!?
9 posted on 05/23/2006 9:45:55 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Sam Hill

Well, the CIA would have recruited me for undercover work, but they insisted I stop wearing my Superbowl Championship ring and I refused, so I went to work for the Kerry campaign instead, although I'm on sabbatical this week to drive in the Indianapolis 500....hope all you guys will be watching!


10 posted on 05/23/2006 9:47:08 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: dead
Indeed, MacBeth's long and intimate involvement with Arizona's criminal justice system doesn't seem to have left him any time to be in the military, let alone do the things he now claims.

From the Arizona Supreme Court's records:

Arizona Supreme Court Seal Public Access to Court Information text logo

SEARCH RESULTS

   Party Name   Date of Birth   Party Address   Court   Case Number   
 1   JESSE ADAM MACBETH   03/21/1984   PIMA, AZ 85543   Pima Justice   J-0502-CR-20040075 
 2   JESSE ADAM MACBETH   03/21/1984       Graham County Superior   S-0500-CR-2004171 

 

CASE DETAIL          

 
Case Number:  J-0502-CR-20040075 Case Category:  Criminal Case Title:  ST OF AZ VS JESSE ADAM MACBET
Court:  Pima Justice Judge:  DEWEY L BRYCE Filing Date:   03/23/2004 Disposition Date:   06/17/2004

 
Party Name:  JESSE ADAM MACBETH Party Type:  D 1 - DEFNDT/RESPNDT Date of Birth:  03/21/1984
Citation:  CNONE
Count 1:  FALSE REPORTING TO LAW ENFORCEMENT Disposition Date:  06/17/2004 Disposition:  COMPL DISMISSED BY CTY ATTY
Count 2:  FRAUDULENT USE OF CREDIT CARD Disposition Date:  06/17/2004 Disposition:  BOUND OVER TO SUPERIOR COURT
 

 
Event Date Event Description Party
6/17/2004  ARRAIGNMENT  D 1 
6/17/2004  ORIG. FILE TO SUPERIOR COURT  D 1 
6/17/2004  FELONY PRELIM HEARING HELD  D 1 
6/17/2004  DEFNDNT BOUND OVER TO SUPR CRT  D 1 
6/10/2004  WARRANT QUASHED/EXECUTED  D 1 
6/10/2004  COUNSEL APPOINTED  D 1 
6/10/2004  I/A HELD: FELONY/MISD/CR TR  D 1 
6/10/2004  DEFENDANT IN CUSTODY  D 1 
6/10/2004  PH HEARING SET  D 1 
6/2/2004  WARRANT ISSUED  D 1 
4/19/2004  RETURNED UNSERVED  D 1 
4/16/2004  LETTER RETURNED  D 1 
3/23/2004  SUMM ISSUED CR,SR,TR,DR,MR,FR  D 1 
3/23/2004  COMPLAINT FILED-PROSECUTOR  D 1 

 

CASE DETAIL          

 
Case Number:  S-0500-CR-2004171 Case Category:  Criminal Case Title:  ST OF AZ VS JESSE ADAM MACBET
Court:  Graham County Superior Judge:  R DOUGLAS HOLT Filing Date:   06/17/2004 Disposition Date:   09/28/2004

 
Party Name:  JESSE ADAM MACBETH Party Type:  D 1 - DEFNDT/RESPNDT Date of Birth:  03/21/1984
Citation:  CNONE
Count 1:  FRAUDULENT USE OF CREDIT CARD Disposition Date:  09/28/2004 Disposition:  GUILTY
 

 
Event Date Event Description Party
5/1/2006  FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES  D 1 
5/1/2006  FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION  D 1 
4/1/2006  FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES  D 1 
4/1/2006  FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION  D 1 
3/1/2006  FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION  D 1 
3/1/2006  FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES  D 1 
2/1/2006  FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES  D 1 
2/1/2006  FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION  D 1 
1/13/2006  ME STATUS CONFERENCE   
1/1/2006  FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION  D 1 
1/1/2006  FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES  D 1 
12/9/2005  ORDER SETTING   
12/1/2005  FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES  D 1 
12/1/2005  FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION  D 1 
11/1/2005  FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES  D 1 
11/1/2005  FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION  D 1 
10/1/2005  FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION  D 1 
10/1/2005  FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES  D 1 
9/23/2005  *  D 1 
9/23/2005  PET TO REVOKE PROBATION   
9/1/2005  FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION  D 1 
9/1/2005  FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES  D 1 
8/1/2005  FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES  D 1 
8/1/2005  FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION  D 1 
7/1/2005  FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES  D 1 
7/1/2005  FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION  D 1 
6/1/2005  FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES  D 1 
6/1/2005  FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION  D 1 
5/9/2005  RELEASE ORDER   
5/9/2005  NOTICE OF RIGHTS AFTER JDMT   
5/1/2005  FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES  D 1 
5/1/2005  FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION  D 1 
4/25/2005  ME REVOCATION ARRAIGNMENT   
4/25/2005  ARREST/BOOKING RECORD   
4/25/2005  *  D 1 
4/18/2005  *  D 1 
4/18/2005  PET TO REVOKE PROBATION   
4/1/2005  FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES  D 1 
4/1/2005  FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION  D 1 
3/1/2005  FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION  D 1 
3/1/2005  FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES  D 1 
2/14/2005  FUND: ADULT PROBATION FEES  D 1 
2/14/2005  FUND: EXTRA ADULT PROBATION  D 1 
2/1/2005  AFFIDAVIT OF SERVICE   
11/29/2004  NOTICE TO RECORDER OF A FELONY   
10/5/2004  PROBATION TRANSFER FEE 1 TIME  D 1 
9/28/2004  RELEASE ORDER   
9/28/2004  VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT   
9/28/2004  FUND: 2002 PROBATION SURCHARGE  D 1 
9/28/2004  FUND: TIME PYMT $20 JCEF  D 1 
9/28/2004  PROBATION  D 1 
9/28/2004  CONDITIONS OF PROBATION   
9/28/2004  FUND: BASE FINE  D 1 
9/28/2004  FUND: 2002 SURCHARGES (80%)  D 1 
9/28/2004  ME SENTENCING (26.16, RCrP)   
9/28/2004  FUND: PUBLIC DEF ADMIN FEE  D 1 
9/28/2004  JAIL/PRISON  D 1 
9/28/2004  FUND: PROSECUTION COSTS  D 1 
9/28/2004  SENT RESTITUTION  D 1 
9/16/2004  CONDITIONS OF RELEASE ORDER   
9/13/2004  *  D 1 
9/13/2004  ME CONTINUANCE   
9/8/2004  IA ON FTA WARRANT   
9/8/2004  RELEASE ORDER   
9/8/2004  *  D 1 
8/30/2004  *  D 1 
8/16/2004  ME CONTINUANCE   
8/5/2004  PRESENTENCE REPORT   
7/19/2004  GUILTY PLEA PROCEEDING   
7/19/2004  PLEA AGREEMENT   
7/19/2004  NOTICE OF RIGHTS AFTER JDMT   
7/19/2004  RELEASE ORDER   
7/19/2004  FINANCIAL STATEMENT   
7/19/2004  ME CHANGE OF PLEA HEARING   
7/12/2004  ME PRETRIAL CONFERENCE   
6/29/2004  DISCLOSURE BY PLAINTIFF   
6/28/2004  ME ORDER SETTING HEARING/TRIAL   
6/28/2004  ORDER SETTING   
6/22/2004  M E ARRAIGNMENT AND PLEA   
6/22/2004  MOTION   
6/21/2004  TIME SCHEDULE/NOTICE OF TRIAL   
6/18/2004  TRANSMITTAL CERTIFICATE FROM   
6/18/2004  INFORMATION   

11 posted on 05/23/2006 9:50:21 AM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: Sam Hill
From the Wikipedia discussion page on this guy...

Today, the Army ran a check on Mr. MacBeth’s credentials. It turns out, not surprisingly to anybody with half a mind, that Mr. MacBeth has NO Army service record. Anywhere. Period. This is a direct quote given to me by Army spokesman John Boyce:

“Initial research by the U.S. Army Special Operations Command at Fort Bragg shows no Soldier with the name of Jesse Macbeth having ever been assigned to the Special Forces or the Army Rangers -- which are, in fact, two separate disciplines. This appears to be some sort of hoax. No Soldier by that name at Fort Lewis to our knowledge, in the past, either. Of course, the line about "go into the Army or go to jail" is vintage TV script not heard since the 1960s. There are also numerous wear and appearance issues with the Soldier's uniform -- a mix of foreign uniforms with the sleeves rolled up like a Marine and a badly floppy tan beret worn like a pastry chef. Of course, the allegations of war crimes are vague, as are the awards the Soldier allegedly received.”


And then...

I just phoned the IVAW, they said Jessie has resighned his membership and is no longer a member. They are investigating if he was hired by someone.. No further info right now.


So ya got the normal CYA - he must be a paid plant by some vast right wing conspiracy.
12 posted on 05/23/2006 9:51:01 AM PDT by kingu (Yeah, I'll vote in 2006, just as soon as a party comes along who listens.)
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To: Sam Hill
It was ever thus.

Lol.

13 posted on 05/23/2006 9:54:01 AM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: Sam Hill
Date of article - Friday, April 23, 2004

From article - I served in Iraq 16 months as a U.S. Army Ranger.

16 months prior to April 2004 would have been about December 2002. So this guy was there prior to the start of the war? Also, I saw on an earlier thread that he was born in 1984. This means he was a fully trained Ranger at the age of 18. Hmmm.. This does not compute.

14 posted on 05/23/2006 9:54:20 AM PDT by Jaxter ("Vivit Post Funera Virtus")
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To: Joe 6-pack

Sounds like a Forrest Gump story.


15 posted on 05/23/2006 9:54:33 AM PDT by rwa265 (Behold, I am with you always. (Matthew 28:20))
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To: taxcontrol

Michelle Malkin already checked him out and according to an Army spolesman this guy is a phoney SOB.


16 posted on 05/23/2006 9:55:25 AM PDT by Americanexpat (A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
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To: Sam Hill
Hi, Sam Hill:

Michelle Malkin, "Hotair" and the Milbloggers are alllllll over MacBeth like a cheap suit!

http://hotair.com/archives/top-picks/2006/05/22/anti-war-video-bogus/

Jack.
17 posted on 05/23/2006 9:55:45 AM PDT by Jack Deth (Knight Errant and Disemboweler of the WFTD Thread)
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To: Americanexpat
So is there a way to put this guy in jail? Cant the Army sue him for slander? SOMETHING!!!

I hate it when these want-a-be slugs come out from under their rocks and defame honest to God HEROs.
18 posted on 05/23/2006 9:59:28 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: rwa265
"Sounds like a Forrest Gump story."

Did you know I had originally been asked to play the lead in that movie, but the director owed Hanks a favor, so I got passed over and that's when I went to the Balkans as a mercenary hit man under the guise of an internationally acclaimed goulash chef. I could tell you more, but I'd hate to hog the limelight when this *Ranger* has such an important story to tell....

19 posted on 05/23/2006 10:00:39 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: kingu

Another sociopath on the loose. Maybe Cindy can adopt him?


20 posted on 05/23/2006 10:01:02 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (If you don't understand the word "Illegal", then the public school system has failed you.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

:-)


21 posted on 05/23/2006 10:05:25 AM PDT by rwa265 (Behold, I am with you always. (Matthew 28:20))
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To: Squantos

Does the Army have any groups like the Seals to expose frauds like this POS?


22 posted on 05/23/2006 10:09:57 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist homosexual lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: Sam Hill
Jesse Macbeth, formerly a Special Forces Ranger in Iraq

Special Forces and Rangers tend to be exclusive of one another--I have never heard of anybody who did both the Special Forces Q Course at Camp Mackay and Ranger School at Fort Benning. (If they are out there, my hat's off to them--to pass one such course is remarkable, to pass both would be truly exceptional.)

Why do the phony vets always have to be Rangers, Breen Beanies, or SEALs (or, worse, all of the above at one time)?

I mean, I did my year in Vietnam after Uncle drafted me. I was a cook. About the most danger I was in was when I accidentally started a grease fire.

23 posted on 05/23/2006 10:15:36 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

"Another sociopath on the loose. Maybe Cindy can adopt him?"

It wouldn't be the first time:

Cindy’s Marine Is A Liar | Sweetness & Light
http://www.sweetness-light.com/archive/marine-told-tales-for-fame/


24 posted on 05/23/2006 10:15:41 AM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: kingu

"So ya got the normal CYA - he must be a paid plant by some vast right wing conspiracy."

And yet MacBeth was a featured speaker for them for quite some time now.

As I've noted elsewhere, it of course smacks of the Al Hubbard story.

Al Hubbard helped to start the VVAW (the parent of the IVAW). He handpicked Kerry to be his second in command.

Hubbard claimed to be a pilot who was wounded flying combat missions in Vietnam. He appeared alongside Kerry on Meet The Press, the day before Kerry made his appearance before the US Senate.

Turns out that minutes after the MTP program aired the National Review outed Hubbard as a fraud. He was a Sergant who was never in combat, probably never in Vietnam. And his "injury" came from playing basketball.

(He was also a Black Panther. Or at least he claimed to be.)

Still, Hubbard stayed on with the VVAW and eventually went to Paris, then Hanoi to negotiate with the NVM and VC.

He later was awarded one of the Soviet Union's highest honors for his service to their cause.

Kerry's Mentor: Black Panther And Phony Vietnam Vet, Al Hubbard
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1080094/posts


25 posted on 05/23/2006 10:23:06 AM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: taxcontrol

You'd think this would count as some sort of fraud, at least...


26 posted on 05/23/2006 10:24:22 AM PDT by Andy28 (Proud US Army DEP'er, shipping in June. Hooah!)
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To: Joe 6-pack
"Sounds like a Forrest Gump story."

Nah, can't recall the name of movie but the Hero was playing a video arcade game and this "stramger" appears and takes the kid off to fight as a gunner in a space ship and saves the universe. This ahole musta seen that movie....

27 posted on 05/23/2006 10:33:47 AM PDT by litehaus
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
About the most danger I was in was when I accidentally started a grease fire.

You know, you could have submitted yourself for a Purple Heart. After 3 accidents you could have got yourself sent home.

28 posted on 05/23/2006 10:33:50 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: litehaus
The movie was "The Last Starfighter."
29 posted on 05/23/2006 10:38:47 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: Andy28
From the US Code:

TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 33 > § 702

§ 702. Uniform of armed forces and Public Health Service

Whoever, in any place within the jurisdiction of the United States or in the Canal Zone, without authority, wears the uniform or a distinctive part thereof or anything similar to a distinctive part of the uniform of any of the armed forces of the United States, Public Health Service or any auxiliary of such, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than six months, or both.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/search/display.html?terms=uniform&ur l=/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000702—-000-.html


30 posted on 05/23/2006 10:41:56 AM PDT by Sam Hill
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To: litehaus
Nah, can't recall the name of movie but the Hero was playing a video arcade game and this "stramger" appears and takes the kid off to fight as a gunner in a space ship and saves the universe. This ahole musta seen that movie....

The Last Starfighter

31 posted on 05/23/2006 10:42:18 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
I have never heard of anybody who did both the Special Forces Q Course at Camp Mackay and Ranger School at Fort Benning.

No, it's quite common to be SF and Ranger qualified. You just can't belong to both units at the same time. Having a Ranger tab means you graduated from the school, not that you were assigned to the Ranger Regiment. Typically, young NCOs/officers go to Camp Mackall for SF training and, once completed, are sent to Ranger school for the additional training.

32 posted on 05/23/2006 10:46:42 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this plan just might work.)
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To: Sam Hill

How can we get this guy's contact info to the Arizona Cardinal's. I'm sure there's a linebacker or two who'd like to hear his Ranger stories. After all they know what a real Ranger from Arizona looks like -

http://diodon349.com/Vets_stuff/Vet_images/in_memoriam.jpg

I'm sure they would have a spirited discussion of life in the military.


33 posted on 05/23/2006 10:48:13 AM PDT by Waverunner
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To: Sam Hill

BTT. I did kinda like the "shoot the youngest child" story but then I used to read Sgt Fury comic books, too. And it does remind me a little of Congressional testimony by a young feller named Kerry.


34 posted on 05/23/2006 11:02:12 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Sam Hill
How appropriate that his name is MacBeth. He will need to work hard to wash off the blood of his comrades...it will take more than water to expunge his betrayal:

Macbeth: Will not all great Neptune’s oceans wash this blood clean from my hands?

(Lady Macbeth enters with blood covered hands)

Lady Macbeth: My hands are of your color. Come, a little water washes away the deed.

MacBeth, Act II, Scene II

35 posted on 05/23/2006 11:28:41 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Try Jesus--If you don't like Him, the devil will always take you back.)
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To: Sam Hill
I got stabbed many times. I got shrapnel in my knee. I got shot in the back.

For some reason, this line struck me out of all the BS he said. One does not get "stabbed many times" by jihadis. Hand to hand is uncommon in Iraq, and people who have been stabbed many times during hand to hand in any war are as rare as dragon's teeth.

36 posted on 05/23/2006 11:31:27 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Try Jesus--If you don't like Him, the devil will always take you back.)
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To: tet68
Oh ho, and THEY were right after all!

If there's a revolution, I hope he gets napalmed.

37 posted on 05/23/2006 11:33:25 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Try Jesus--If you don't like Him, the devil will always take you back.)
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To: kingu
The person who discusses this on wikipedia gets it 100% right, except for this:

Of course, the line about "go into the Army or go to jail" is vintage TV script not heard since the 1960s.

Actually, it still happens all the time, though not as much as during the days of the draft. I know of at least one kid who got that ultimatum and ended up serving on USS Theodore Roosevelt during the invasion of Afghanistan.

38 posted on 05/23/2006 11:38:07 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Try Jesus--If you don't like Him, the devil will always take you back.)
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To: Mr. Silverback; Sam Hill
How appropriate that his name is MacBeth.

Damned Spotty

39 posted on 05/23/2006 11:41:54 AM PDT by dighton
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
Why do the phony vets always have to be Rangers, Breen Beanies, or SEALs (or, worse, all of the above at one time)?

Two reasons:

1. Your average fake vet lies about serving because he views himself as deficient and is grasping at glory to cover his deficiency, so why not go for the brass ring?

2. The fake vets who work for the Fifth Column claim to be in special forces so that when someone says, "That never happened" they can say, "It was on a super-secret classified operation." That's not something you can do if you say, "I was in 3rd ID and I machine-gunned an elementary school class on the way into downtown Baghdad..."

40 posted on 05/23/2006 11:44:36 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Try Jesus--If you don't like Him, the devil will always take you back.)
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To: litehaus

The movie is called "The Last Starfighter," and it was a barrel of fun.


41 posted on 05/23/2006 11:45:52 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Try Jesus--If you don't like Him, the devil will always take you back.)
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To: VRWCmember
You know, you could have submitted yourself for a Purple Heart.

No, by accidentally starting that grease fire, I submitted myself for a week of burning out latrines.

Our first sergeant told me Vietnam was dangerous enough without adding my own foolishness to the mix. He bitched me out really good, and made sure I understood that he did not want to have our CO write any more letters home than absolutely necessary.

Wasn't happy about getting chewed out.

But, looking back, I learned something important from it.

42 posted on 05/23/2006 11:49:20 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: Sam Hill
I was in...Sang Bang... Dang Gong... I was all over the place, a lot of places What unit? I was with the Green Berets, Special Unit Battalions... Commando Airborne Tactics... Specialist Tactics Unit Battalion. Yeah, it was real hush hush. I was Agent Orange, Special Agent Orange, that was me.
43 posted on 05/23/2006 11:52:33 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Why do the AFL-CIO and UFW want illegal aliens?)
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To: Future Snake Eater; potlatch; PhilDragoo; ntnychik; Grampa Dave; Interesting Times; Chieftain

Benning Bump

44 posted on 05/23/2006 12:02:54 PM PDT by devolve (fx AMERICANS_KILLED_IN_2003_BY_ILLEGALS FBI-DOJ_4380+4745=9125 MEXICO'S_TAX_COMPLIANCE_RATE=11%)
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To: devolve

Thanks.

These lying POS's cause special pain among those whose loved ones paid the ultimate sacrifice and served honorably.


45 posted on 05/23/2006 12:05:50 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist homosexual lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: Sam Hill

I forgot about Jimmy Massey. What a scumball! Even the most marginally performing GI that I have ever known, would sooner die than talk trash like that.


46 posted on 05/23/2006 12:10:11 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (If you don't understand the word "Illegal", then the public school system has failed you.)
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To: Americanexpat

Phony for sure.

If you saw pics of him, he wore his beret backwards and rolled his sleeves lake a Navy squid.

This guy is NO Ranger.

Special Forces Ranger my sore behind!

Special School Rump Ranger is more like it.


47 posted on 05/23/2006 12:12:48 PM PDT by roaddog727 (eludium PU36 explosive space modulator)
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To: BeHoldAPaleHorse
About the most danger I was in was when I accidentally started a grease fire.

I was thrown out of McDonalds once for starting a grease fire. I threw a match in the cook's hair! - Steve Martin.
48 posted on 05/23/2006 12:57:22 PM PDT by \/\/ayne (Give me Liberty or give me the ACLU)
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To: Future Snake Eater
I bet he spells it "badass d00d."
49 posted on 05/23/2006 12:59:30 PM PDT by Petronski (I just love that woman.)
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To: Tribune7
Then he left his wife in Baltimore, Jack and went out for a ride and never came back.

LOL

*giggle*

50 posted on 05/23/2006 1:00:12 PM PDT by Petronski (I just love that woman.)
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